UFO still puzzles 30 years later (Coyne Incident)

Perhaps the swamp gas was particularly complex in it's formation that night?

Even the late Dr. Hynek regretted having ever floated the "swamp gas" explanation.

Heck when I was flying small planes I have hit my head on the roof in rough turbulance. I bet this helicoptor pilot did the same. Hit his head hard enough that the weather ballon was just streaking across the sky, then passed out, dreamed about the 3 Stooges rocket, when he came too, wow he gained a lot of altitude!

A number of other cities have been 'buzzed' repeatedly over the last decades.

Wash DC was one such in the 50's.

Seattle, Phoenix, my own home town . . .

I picked up a couple of books recently in Whitley Strieber's HIDDEN AGENDA series . . . by other authors:

DARK OBJECT
THE WORLD'S ONLY
[OVERTLY PUBLICLY PROVEN]
GOVERNMENT-DOCUMENTED UFO CRASH

I say [overtly publicly proven] because I have too much info from relatives and others about other craft for me to come close to believing that this was the ONLY one. I don't think the authors think it's the only one either. I think they are just emphasizing that this one is the only one with so much info on the surface, provable from government docs as well as multiple quality witnesses etc.

ISBN: 0-440-23647-9

2ND ONE:

CASEBOOK:
ALIEN
IMPLANTS

ISBN: 0-440-23641-X

EXCERPTS FROM DARK OBJECT follow:

p. 79: "This was the information that was given to EArl during the briefing he received from Rushton: NORAD tracked the object when it entered the earth's atmospehre, after half an orbit over Siberia to the east coast of Canada and the Shag Harbor area. The military knew full well at the time that no airliner, space junk, or military hardware had impacted the waters of the sound. They also knew that the object did not stay put but submerged, proceeded out to sea, then headed northeast up the coast, around Cape Sable Island, and eventually came to rest off the mouth of Shelburne Harbor over a magnetic anomaly detection grid feed to the supersecret Submarine Detection Base at Shelburne."

. . .

"Earl went on to say that a flotilla of six or seven naval ships--both Canadian and American--were anchored over the object and another that had joined it, apparently to help the first one with repairs. Divers were sent down to observe the two objects and photograph them both remotely and manually. Hydrophones and other equipment were lowered over the side to study them. The data they received from these studies was classified." p 79

p 99-100: "On the twenty-first Chris again went to the National Archives to salvage what he could from their record files. He pulled RG-77 from the files and took a seat at the microfilm viewer. He was rewarded with a few more documents alluding to Shag Harbor that had not been present in the file group he had received months earlier in Halifax, including the description of young Darrell Dorey's sighting with his family."

pp74-75 "'So what did they tell you they were looking for when you got to Shelburn?'

'I was told we were camped over a Russian sub that had made it past the twelve-mile limit.'

'Could it have been true? What made you think otherwise?'

'For one thing, my specialty is identifying aircraft. Why would they get me all the way out there to identify submarine parts? That made me suspicious. Also, we were kept belowdecks all of the time. And then there were the navy divers. Theyw ere constantly being reminded by the officers to keep their mouths shut about what they were doing below. They weren't even supposed to talk among themselves, but they did, especially at suppertime. The officers, some of whom were American, were really paranoid.'

. . .

'So what did these divers say to make you believe you were sitting over something other than a sub?'

'I guess the first indication was when I was listening to the divers talking over supper one night. And like I said, the brass was on top of these guys big time about talking shop, especially one diver.' He mentioned the name of the diver we've called Harry. 'The guy was a bit of a rebel. He'd had a few drinks and was saying stuff like 'Yes, sir, sorry, sir, we forgot about the sub, sir. I don't know about you guys but you know and I know that that ain't no sub. I don't know what it is or where it came from, but it ain't from Moscow!'

'So this officer tells him to settle down, but Harry's got plenty of booze in him now and he's argumentative. He's saying stuff like 'What are we, a bunch of kids? There's no reporters here. You know and I know that ain't no sub!' That's the kind of stuff I'd hear. They wouldn't talk directly to us about it but we'd overhear them talking about this thing down there. AT first we thought they were full of sh*t, but when you saw the trouble they got into whenever they shot their mouths off about it, you had to wonder.'"

p124 "We got another clue several months later, when I was doing a phone interview with our ELINT crewman about his role in the aerial search for the UFO. I asked him if, when they were flying over the area near Government Point, he noticed any ships grouped near the point. 'Oh, yeah,' he said, 'they had quite a few ships anchored over this sunken object. They even had a barge towed up from down in the STates, from around norfolk, Virginia, in a big hurry, to put the thing on when they got it up.' That statement surprised us both, coming as it did right out of the blue. It dropped nicely into the puzzle. Could we confirm that there had been a barge in the area and find out where it had come from? Yes, we could. Was the barge capable of doing the job required by the cover story in the newspaper? Yes, it was. Did the reason for the barge being in the area as stated in the newspaper story, make sense? For the leak, yes, for the cargo, no. Had the 'repair job' carried out on the barge been handled in a normal fashion? No, it had been done too quickly to be believable.'"

Qx: Anyway--for anyone interested in the topic, the story of the 1967 incident is a worthy read.

From ALIEN IMPLANTS:

I didn't really bother to mark it up so I'll only bother with a few paragraphs:

p. 140: "We held our breath waiting for the results from New Mexico. In a telephone conversation with John Alexander, who was directing the research at N.I.D.S., I learned there was a problem with receiving reports from the laboratory. It seems our contract with them did not include language that would allow them to give us an opinion about the test results. John told me N.I.D.S. was working on the problem and it would be resolved soon. I was beginning to understand the politics involved in scientific testing."

"Finally, in September of 1996, N.I.D.S. resolved their problems with the laboratory and faxed me the letter about the results. My secretary handed it to me. I sat alone in my private office, turned on the desk lamp, and began to read. On the top, in large black letters, it said, 'New Mexico Tech Letter of Opinion.' I begain to read the body of the report."

"It contained two major statements. The first one indicated that the sample taken from Patricia's seedlike implant contained eleven different elements. The sample from the T-shaped object we removed contained an iron core. The tests also indicated that the iron and phosphorus were major constituents of the material surrounding the iron core."

"The second statement had to do with meteorites. they thought this was the most likely material for these fragments to have come from. On the other hand, there was a problem with the nickel-iron ratio. It seems that most meteorites contain between 6 and 10 percent nickela nd none contain less than 5 percent. To resolve this discrepancy they deduced that these specimens might be fragments of meteorites."

" . . . The author of the report did not know one important aspect of our cases: the complete lack of any inflammatory reaction."

Anyway--this is also a worthy read for those interested in implants. The procedures to obtain the samples and record on video etc. the samples and protect the samples through all the process of reputable analysis were extremely extensive with signed documentation by multiple signatures at each step along the way.

Guess I'd best get back to other priorities like paper grading.

Blessings,

FOR ABSOLUTE CERTAIN!

THANKS. Have responded above.

Happy to have your story on FREEPMAIL.

No laughing--has been a sobering issue for me for 35+ years.

Would you care to elaborate in this thread or via FREEPMAIL?

Am keenly interested, of course.

With great respect for your experiences.

No doubt he was under pressure to come up with SOME alternative explanation.

Alas, there are still plenty of useful idiots willing to BELIEVE the swamp gas explanation! Sigh.

I suspect there's a huge overlap between that group and the group that thinks Dilldo and Shrillery Clinton are wonderful people.

Cute.

Alas, your analysis is more farfetched than the real facts--which, I suspect, you know and intended.

I did see something strange one night I think it was in 96. I was looking up in the sky and I saw a triangle. Than I saw the top go down. The lights wasn't flashing or anything like that. It was just plain odd. Was it a UFO, I don't know.

Never underestimate the willingness of people to perpetuate a hoax. See chemtrails/contrails. See Bigfoot. Many UFO movies have been proven to be hoaxes.

I've always been impressed by the photographs of a UFO taken by a Brazilian scientist in full view of his peers and a deck full of naval officers and personnel. (late '50s early 60's?)

The thing was huge, quite manueverable, the picture quality pretty good, and unlike any blimp/rocket/aircraft in either the U.S. or Soviet arsenal.

No one can explain it.

Many UFO movies have been proven to be hoaxes.

All it takes is for one NOT to be a hoax in order to ruin Klass' day.

Thread marking for COOL LINKS! :)

Klass/Klaus?

has to know the truth as a well paid government stooge laughing all the way to the bank, IMHO.

The only way you can prove it isn't a hoax is to produce some ET's.

Am personally curious AppyPappy,

What are your 3 most imporant reasons for antipathy toward believing in any validity of UFO's or ET's? Preferably in rank order.

In terms of your post . . .

Never underestimate the power, capacity and will

of the government and/or the puppet masters and/or satan to collude in a manner resulting in current hoax on the public that there is NOTHING valid about UFOs or ET's.

_Phil Klass. He never lets facts get in the way of his debunking, just as many mufoners I've known ignored facts that "empty the saucer" as it were.

I believe that there are nutzenboltz UFOs under intelligent direction that are beyond the control of any of this world's governments. But I also think the Klecksburg crash is a case of a crashed soviet spacecraft.