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The second American civil war: what it's about
townhall.com | 10/14/03 | Dennis Prager

Posted on 10/13/2003 9:41:44 PM PDT by kattracks

Whatever your politics, you have to be oblivious to reality to deny that America today is torn by ideological divisions as deep as those of the Civil War era. We are, in fact, in the midst of the Second American Civil War.

Of course, one obvious difference between the two is that this Second Civil War is (thus far) non-violent. On the other hand, there is probably more hatred between the opposing sides today than there was during the First Civil War. And I am not talking about extremists. A senior editor of the respected center-left New Republic just wrote an article titled, "The Case for Bush Hatred," an article that could have been written by writers at most major American newspapers, by most Hollywood celebrities, and almost anyone else left of center. And the conservative hatred of former President Bill Clinton was equally deep.

In general, however, the similarities are greater than the differences. Once again the North and the South are at odds (though many individuals on each side identify with the other). And once again, the fate of the nation hangs in the balance. The two sides' values and visions of America are as incompatible as they were in the 1860s.

For those Americans who do not know what side they are on or who are not certain about what the Second American Civil War is being fought over, I offer a list of the most important areas of conflict.

While the views of many, probably even most, Americans do not fall entirely on either side, the two competing camps are quite distinguishable. On one side are those on the Left -- liberals, leftists and Greens -- who tend to agree with one another on almost all major issues. On the other side are those on the Right -- conservatives, rightists and libertarians -- who agree on stopping the Left, but differ with one another more often than those on the Left do.

Here, then, is Part One of the list of the major differences that are tearing America apart:

The Left believes in removing America's Judeo-Christian identity, e.g., removing "under God" from the Pledge, "In God we trust" from the currency, the oath to God and country from the Boy Scouts Pledge, etc. The Right believes that destroying these symbols and this identity is tantamount to destroying America.

The Left regards America as morally inferior to many European societies with their abolition of the death penalty, cradle-to-grave welfare and religion-free life; and it does not believe that there are distinctive American values worth preserving. The Right regards America as the last best hope for humanity and believes that there are distinctive American values -- the unique combination of a religious (Judeo-Christian) society, a secular government, personal liberty and capitalism -- worth fighting and dying for.

The Left believes that impersonal companies, multinational and otherwise, with their insatiable drive for profits, have a profoundly destructive effect on the country. The Right believes that the legal system, particularly trial lawyers, lawsuits and judges who make laws, is the greater threat to American society.

The Left believes multiculturalism should be the ideal for American schools and for government policy. The Right believes that the Americanization of all its citizens is indispensable to the survival of the United States.

The Left believes that the Boy Scouts as currently constituted pose a moral threat to society. The Right believes the Boy Scouts continue to be one of the greatest moral institutions in the country.

The Left believes in equality more than in liberty. The Right believes more in liberty. For example, the Left believes that for the equality's sake, men's clubs must accept women. The Right believes that for liberty's sake, associations must be free to choose their own members.

The Left believes that when schools give out condoms to teenagers, they are promoting safe sex. The Right believes that when schools give out condoms, they are promoting more sex.

The Left believes that poverty, racism and psychopathology cause violent crime. The Right believes a lack of self-control, lack of religious practice and lack of good values are the primary causes of violent crime.

The Left believes that "war is not the answer." The Right believes that war is often the only answer to governmental evil.

Any one of these differences is enough to create an entirely different America. Added together, the differences suggest people who live in different worlds that are on a collision course.

And I have only listed some of the conflicting views.

Next week, in Part Two, I will discuss the other major conflicts making for the Second American Civil War.

©2003 Creators Syndicate, Inc.

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TOPICS: Culture/Society; Editorial; News/Current Events
KEYWORDS: culturewars; cwii; dennisprager; shtf; socialconflict; theleft; thomaschittum; unitedstates; violence
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To: archy
Ping to a still-going CW thread.
161 posted on 10/15/2003 12:21:27 AM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
There's lots of fairly large southern cities, and I'd be surprised to hear that they are liberal. Houston, Dallas, Atlanta, Miami, Phoenix... liberal?

Granted, yes, even the biggest of these (Dallas) only ranks as #8 in population in the U.S...

http://www.demographia.com/db-99metm-r.htm

But I dunno if I'd go so far as to say "city" = "liberal". I mean, 4 of the cities I just listed are all bigger than Seattle... liberal Mecca... heheh :)

I do have to admit though... for the top ones, it -is- pretty consistent. NY, LA, Chicago, San Francisco, Boston... the really bad eggs are the really big cities. Philly and Baltimore aren't quite so disgustingly liberal... but yeah, even they're pretty bad.

And here I am stuck smack dab between NYC and Philly. Before it all starts, give me a chance to move first, will ya? :)

Qwinn

162 posted on 10/15/2003 12:55:35 AM PDT by Qwinn
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To: Travis McGee
Ping to a still-going CW thread.

Yup. I've been following it.

Thanks for the heads-up nevertheless.

-archy-/-

163 posted on 10/15/2003 1:05:40 AM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: Travis McGee
Resister BUMP!
164 posted on 10/15/2003 3:17:10 AM PDT by Matthew James (HangEmHigh@Midnight)
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To: Keyes2000mt
It will be forever referred to as the UNCIVIL WAR.
165 posted on 10/15/2003 3:20:40 AM PDT by mict42
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To: Travis McGee
Yeah, gimme a few......
166 posted on 10/15/2003 7:39:44 AM PDT by Joe Hadenuf (I failed anger management class, they decided to give me a passing grade anyway)
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To: kattracks
There has never been an American civil war. The author needs some remedial classes.
167 posted on 10/15/2003 7:44:03 AM PDT by Protagoras (Hating Democrats doesn't make you a conservative.)
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To: kattracks
This is basicly a good article, along the lines of a statement that I have been making regularly, that the left is attempting to subvert our democratic capitalist system by degrading our moral underpinnings and demeaning our Judeo-Christian roots. The Judeo-Christian religion is anathema to the left because it is difficult to control a people who answer to a higher power than the state. The left hopes to replace the Judeo-Christian religion with the humanistic cult of the environment.

The one error that I note in the article is that the author claims that the left is opposed to multi-national, unfeeling companies. This is not true at all, the left is only opposed to multi-national companies which do not play by the left's rules, in a kind of symbiotic relationship with gov't, known as fascism.
168 posted on 10/15/2003 8:10:02 AM PDT by Eva
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To: Travis McGee
They would need to create new all volunteer "special anti-terrorist units" consisting of morons and lunatics who don't give a rats about the Constitution or BOR.

Hmmmm, and hmmmm. Need to roll that around for a while. Like room temp IQ's for starters? Few if any moral anchors? Possibly wards of the state, etc? Do you think this could be pulled off without someone.......never mind; rhetorical. It would require implementation by some serious dirtbags at/near the top would it not? The 3 and 4 star(?) self purges(hearsay) under bent willie are looking more worrisome. BTW, do you have any handy info on the subject?

FGS

169 posted on 10/15/2003 9:07:58 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Eva
This is not true at all, the left is only opposed to multi-national companies which do not play by the left's rules, in a kind of symbiotic relationship with gov't, known as fascism.

Fascism? You've heard of Corporatism? Some fodder:

The Left-Wing Billionaire Collectivist Pigs
Diane Alden
Thursday, Sept. 26, 2002
Corporatism Weds Transnational Progressivism

Do you stay up nights trying to figure out why so-called capitalists fund leftist causes or promote a collectivist agenda? Think of Stephen Rockefeller or the entire Rockefeller family, Ted Turner, Bill Gates, Warren Buffett, George Soros, Maurice Strong, Enron, Ford Foundation, Pew Charitable Trust, the Nature Conservancy, the American Bar Association and the AMA.

Why did billionaires Bill Gates and Warren Buffett come out against ending or reducing the death tax? Why do multimillionaire Stephen Rockefeller and the entire clan promote the most outrageous leftist globalist causes and malicious and inhumane programs in history? Why does the Rockefeller family actively promote a collectivist nightmare like the Earth Charter? Why did they fund the Kaiser Wilhelm Institute in pre-war Nazi Germany?

Why are successful entrepreneurs such as Martha Stewart or Michael Bloomberg supporters of every leftist cause? Why do the trial lawyers of America or a financial guru such as Robert Rubin typically promote Democrats?

Do all these left-wing capitalists consider leftist/"progressive" ideas regarding life, death and taxes as being more meritorious for people and society and the world?

Or is there actually something else going on here?

There are two outstanding articles which may help you understand those questions. Additionally, they will shed light on the fact that we are in a "post-Constitution" and "post-American" world. The essays deal with the economic and political state of modern national and international geopolitics and society. They point to some of the factors that make so many capitalists favorable to collectivism and Marxism lite.

In that regard, Robert Locke's essay on "Corporatism" explains what has taken place economically and politically in the U.S. On the political and philosophical side, the Hudson Institute's John Fonte wrote a brilliant piece titled "The New Ideological War Within the West: Transnational Progressivism." (Both may be found at www.frontpagemag.com)

FGS
171 posted on 10/15/2003 9:59:33 AM PDT by ForGod'sSake (ABCNNBCBS: An enemy at the gates is less formidable, for he is known and carries his banner openly.)
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To: Admin Moderator
Please yank post 170. My bad. Private posting and I hit the wrong button.

Thank You Sincerely.
172 posted on 10/15/2003 10:00:11 AM PDT by wardaddy
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To: Travis McGee
Ross does describe something similat in his book. At one point, his fall guy for the Revolution "sends" a message describing some freelancing that has been going on.

"Doing this (sneaky stuff with a high probability of success and escape) is smart. Doing that (violent stuff leading to de facto martyrdom) is not smart." But he isn't really leading the revolutionaries, which the authorities find extremely frustrating.

As a historian, I consider revolution not only bloody, but also the least effective way to preserve liberty. I can't think of another in history than ours, that left people better off.

d.o.l.

Criminal Number 18F
173 posted on 10/15/2003 11:49:53 AM PDT by Criminal Number 18F (..and you could do worse than throwing John/Billybob ten measly bucks. www.armorforcongress.com)
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To: ForGod'sSake
Corporatism was developed by the fascists. The only difference between the new third way and the Mussolini third way is the use of the cult of the environment in place of nationalism.
174 posted on 10/15/2003 1:23:53 PM PDT by Eva
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To: ForGod'sSake
In my next book, these special units will be drawn also from military troops who were sent to the Army by the courts, (gang bangers etc), and "immigrants" on a special fast track to citizenship.

So, one third regular soldiers at the moron end who want that flashy new uniform with the "Counter-Terrorist Strike Force insignia, one third gang bangers in uniform, and one third "immigrants" eager to get amnesty.

Sound charming, don't they?

175 posted on 10/15/2003 1:30:28 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Criminal Number 18F
There is no "revolution" in my book, only a deliberately provoked reaction by a pair of truly evil actors.

They shoot up a stadium and blame it on "white racist militias," and that's only page one.

176 posted on 10/15/2003 1:32:35 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: Travis McGee
This looks familiar....HEY! I was the one who first posted this! Waaaaay back pre-Y2K.
177 posted on 10/15/2003 2:02:41 PM PDT by ExSoldier (My other auto is a .45!)
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To: Travis McGee
Ping to a still-going CW thread.

You might also find the similar discussion *here* to be of interest.

-archy-/-

178 posted on 10/15/2003 3:08:00 PM PDT by archy (Angiloj! Mia kusenveturilo estas plena da angiloj!)
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To: ExSoldier
What goes around....

Comes back around!

179 posted on 10/15/2003 3:46:57 PM PDT by Travis McGee (----- www.EnemiesForeignAndDomestic.com -----)
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To: John H K
Libertarian correct <(avoiding the word right)?
180 posted on 10/15/2003 3:52:30 PM PDT by bondserv
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