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Ancient remains found in central Florida peat farm
Associated Press in Naples (FL) News ^ | October 13, 2003 | N/A

Posted on 10/13/2003 12:26:57 PM PDT by Bernard Marx

Associated Press

KENANSVILLE — When workers digging up peat at a former central Florida sod farm unearthed human remains with their backhoe, they called the police. But this was a cold case that authorities were unlikely to solve.

The bones found Thursday appeared to be those of a young man who died in his late teens or early 20s about 4,800 years ago, said Anthony Falsetti, an associate professor of anthropology at the University of Florida.

"It's quite significant because it ties into some earlier discoveries in the 1980s ... dating back to 8,000 years ago," Falsetti said Friday. "It continues to fill in the picture of early life ... in Florida."

The remains are being suspended in water at the lab, so they don't dry out and crumble into dust. Archaeologists will not photograph the bones, and he will not receive a nickname. Instead, the skeleton is designated as 10-B-03.

The Bureau of Archaeological Research in Tallahassee will survey the site where the remains were found for other signs of a past civilization. Animal bones designed in a decoration were also found with the remains discovered about 50 miles southeast of Orlando, Falsetti said.

After consulting with the two American Indian tribes of Florida, state archaeologist David Dickel said the bones were expected to be reburied in a private ceremony attended only by experts. There will be no marker, to thwart collectors and vandals.

"He lived in a simpler time with a simpler life, but this was no primitive," Dickel said. "Even though it's only bones, we think of it as a life."


TOPICS: Culture/Society; US: Florida
KEYWORDS: archaeology; clovis; florida; ggg; godsgravesglyphs; history; junkscience; kennewick; kennewickman; nativeamericans; oldbones; pc; preclovis; precolumbian
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To: DannyTN
They are not sure where they lived first. It might have been Cape Cod.
21 posted on 10/13/2003 12:47:27 PM PDT by bmwcyle (Hillary's election to President will start a civil war)
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To: Bernard Marx

Spot never imagined the trouble he would cause when he buried the butcher's gift.


22 posted on 10/13/2003 12:48:55 PM PDT by DainBramage
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To: Frank_Discussion
LOL! Point made!
23 posted on 10/13/2003 12:50:06 PM PDT by Sunshine Sister
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To: Gman
Was there an ancient Lotto Ticket in his pocket?
24 posted on 10/13/2003 12:50:39 PM PDT by Conspiracy Guy (Of course it doesn't rhyme. It's a tagline not a poem.)
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To: tscislaw
Experts at what???

Political Correctness.

25 posted on 10/13/2003 12:53:02 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: Bernard Marx
"He lived in a simpler time with a simpler life, but this was no primitive," Dickel said.

Just what the hell does this Dickelhead think the word primitive means? What a moron.

"Even though it's only bones, we think of it as a life."

LOL! If these bones are still alive, just ask them what they want. This guy is an EXTREME moron!

Furthermore, the Indian tribes were stone age primitives when the Europeans got here, and that was not 4,000 years ago. With no writing in the Floriduh area prior to the eeeeeevil white man's arrival, how do we know these "living" bones are not of some totally unrelated tribe of stone age primitives? Hmmmm? These SoSueMe PC activists need to be shut down. Morons!
26 posted on 10/13/2003 12:53:32 PM PDT by Thorondir (iSLAM is a disease begging for a cure.)
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To: Frank_Discussion
"The SoSumee Tribe, no doubt... "

I think the government officials are from the Cya Tribe.

27 posted on 10/13/2003 12:54:03 PM PDT by DannyTN (Note left on my door by a pack of neighborhood dogs.)
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To: RadioAstronomer
Cool article Ping.
28 posted on 10/13/2003 12:56:25 PM PDT by Calpernia (Innocence seldom utters outraged shrieks. Guilt does.)
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To: BigBobber
This is an unbelievably stupid PC law that must be revoked by congress..

Ah, but Congress is full of PC lawmakers. They don't have the education or wisdom to do the right thing in any instance.

29 posted on 10/13/2003 12:57:33 PM PDT by GingisK
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To: DannyTN
I think the government officials are from the Cya Tribe.

Most of the members are in academia and politics. It's the fastest-growing tribe in the U.S. Wonder when it'll open its own casino.

30 posted on 10/13/2003 12:59:52 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: RightWhale
Thanks.

Furthermore, it's a federal, not a state, matter.

This is a classic case where corpus standing is under the national treaty making powers authorized the Executive Branch by the Constitution, which is to say that any government relationship with this young man stems from the President of the United States, subject to what federal laws may be on the books in order to provide administrative procedures in such matters.

The assumption by the State of Florida, that two American Indian tribes in Florida ought to have some say, is nice, and it may feel good, but the jurisdiction of the young man's remains is federal, period.

Suffice to say, the young man, though long-appearing to be a "resident of Florida," is sufficiently old enough to be within the Constitutional domestic national powers recognition accorded the ancient American Indian tribes.

If the Florida based American Indian tribes wish to have some standing in this matter, they should address the White House, and the President of the United States should address them.

To be blunt: The State of Florida has no power to make a deal with any American Indian tribe regarding the national standing of any ancient American tribes, be they "Indian," "native," "indigenous," or otherwise.

But then again, you never know what laws have been to subvert this unique relationship between the tribal nations and the United States of America.

31 posted on 10/13/2003 1:00:43 PM PDT by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Very good.
32 posted on 10/13/2003 1:02:48 PM PDT by First_Salute (God save our democratic-republican government, from a government by judiciary.)
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To: Bernard Marx
Do you suppose that Mr. Falsetti has a high, squeaky voice?
33 posted on 10/13/2003 1:04:14 PM PDT by Ignatz (Helping people be more like me since 1960.)
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To: Flurry
"I read somewhere else that he was wearing a plaid flannel shirt, shorts, black socks, and sandals."

Ahhh...the colorful costume of the Ancient Scottish Mariner. Just a lad off-course and on holiday.

34 posted on 10/13/2003 1:05:58 PM PDT by Khurkris (Scottish/HillBilly - Revenge is an Art Form for us. Ranger On...)
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To: Flurry
And probably had a wife that had absolutely nagged him to death.
35 posted on 10/13/2003 1:12:00 PM PDT by Laura Earl (Day 3-Still love the ring!)
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To: Bernard Marx
Ancient remains found in central Florida peat farm

Well, absolutely no need to tune into Miami CSI in four weeks unless you're interested in speculation about how the guy got knocked off by his ancient gay lover in a retro disco.

36 posted on 10/13/2003 1:26:11 PM PDT by LTCJ
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To: BigBobber
This is an unbelievably stupid PC law that must be revoked by congress.

If only "must" replaced by "will be" would be believeable.

Kennewick man? We don't need no stinkin' Kennewick man!

37 posted on 10/13/2003 1:30:23 PM PDT by rightofrush (right of Rush, and Buchanan too.)
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To: DannyTN
Yep!
38 posted on 10/13/2003 1:41:08 PM PDT by Frank_Discussion (May the wings of Liberty never lose a feather!)
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To: First_Salute
Thanks.
39 posted on 10/13/2003 1:52:16 PM PDT by Bernard Marx
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To: RightWhale; Bernard Marx; rightofrush; Khurkris; First_Salute; Thorondir; Sabertooth; ...
"Were they American Indian remains?"

Probably Not...there were found within 50 miles of these folks.

European DNA Found In 7-8,000 Year Old Skeleton In Florida (Windover)

40 posted on 10/13/2003 2:02:00 PM PDT by blam
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