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Posted on 04/08/2026 4:54:25 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
A genetic study of Neanderthal remains recovered from Denisova Cave in Siberia's Altai Mountains revealed that two individuals who lived 10,000 years apart belonged to closely related lineages linked to each other by a common ancestor, according to a Live Science report. The first individual, known as D17, was male and lived about 110,000 years ago. The second genome belonged to a female, known as D5, who lived about 120,000 years ago. "It is likely that Denisova Cave was part of a broader landscape used repeatedly by these Neanderthal populations over time, rather than a site occupied by a single continuous group," said Diyendo Massilani of the Yale School of Medicine. The study also suggests that Neanderthals who inhabited the Altai region lived in small, isolated populations, since the individuals had large sections of identical DNA. D17 and D5 were more closely related to each other than to Neanderthal populations in Europe or later Neanderthal populations in the Altai region. "What is striking in our results is just how differentiated these populations could become," Massilani concluded. Read the original scholarly article about this research in Proceedings of the National Academy of Sciences. For more, go to "Denisovan DNA."
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[PNAS] Neandertal D17 and its relationship with other Neandertals. (A) Locations of high-coverage Neandertal genomes used in the study. (B) Picture of the undiagnosed bone fragment from Neandertal D17. (C–F) Relative derived allele sharing between Neandertal genomes, computed using D-statistics of the form D-(ind1, ind2; ind3, Mbuti), where ind3 is either (C) Neandertal D17, (D) Neandertal D5, (E) Neandertal Chag8 or (F) Neandertal Vi33.19. In each panel, ind1 and ind2 are indicated at the Left and Right of the graph. Positive values indicate greater allele sharing between ind3 and ind1; negative values indicate greater allele sharing between ind3 and ind2. |Z-score| ≥ 3 are in red. (G) Schematic phylogenetic relationships among Neandertal D17, other archaic genomes, including the Denisovan D3, and modern humans inferred from autosomal DNA analyses using branch shortening and demographic modeling with cecast and F(A|B) statistics (SI Appendix, SI Appendix 6, 10, and 12). (H) Schematic mitochondrial (mt) DNA inferred from a Bayesian tree estimated using BEAST2 from previously published study on D17 mtDNA (11). (I) Y chromosome phylogeny as inferred from a Bayesian tree estimated using BEAST2 including previously published Y chromosomes of the Denisovan Denisova 8 (D8) and Neandertals Mezmaiskaya 2 (Mez2) (12) and Chagyrskaya 2 (Chag2) (7) (SI Appendix, SI Appendix 18).PNAS
Over 300 generations and the kids never moved away. Launching the kids has been a problem longer than I thought.
Neanderthals had Yellow Fever?
The only transportation some 120K years ago would have been limited to walking and for great distances, long boats.
I suspect women were less likely to travel outside the area of their childhood, unless, the whole tribe was trying to escape some oncoming threat or place of disease.
I don’t think man was even to the point of using horses that early in civilization.
I’d be curious how they estimated those dates,
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Neanderthal chicks were easy.
I like what they did with the place.
There are worse things than empty nest syndrome.
Lol! Just invite her over to your Cave to see the paintings on dark stone walls. Bring your own torch.
“worse things than empty nest syndrome.”
Yes, 300 generations under one roof. For sure!
Not a lot of privacy, I’d imagine.
Enjoyed this thread. Thanks.
Cave Paintings - Altamira Cave - Lascaux Cave - Hurrian Hymns
https://youtu.be/l99Lk66V0js
Nuts, I couldn’t find an outhouse emoji in the browser doodad. Kinda of an odd idea on my part, but living in a cave means having to do that business outside somewhere. Often the ancient diets of various folks have been discerned based on the discarded bone fragments and passed seeds and such.
They cared about privacy?
Serious question.
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