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Israel-US relations: A two-way street
american thinker ^ | August 5, 2025 | By Joseph Puder

Posted on 08/09/2025 3:40:02 AM PDT by daniel1212

Many enemies of Israel, including some in the United States Congress, see the U.S.-Israel relationship as one-sided. This is true of Marjorie Taylor Greene (R-Ga.), who, in interview with Steve Bannon earlier this month, stated, “I’m entering amendments to strike 500 million more dollars for nuclear-armed Israel. ....

The $500 million Rep. Greene is speaking of is for missile defense cooperation, and the U.S. Defense Department is a major beneficiary of Israeli research and development. As a result of the experience Israel has garnered from employing various missile defense systems — such as the Iron Dome, David Sling, and Arrow — the Pentagon has received valuable technological capability information, which has saved the U.S. millions — some even say billions — of dollars. ..

lhan Omar (D-Minn.), the Somali Muslim native and member of the anti-Israel and anti-American “Squad,”... ignores how the U.S. benefits from the $3.3 billion Israel receives in military aid, including supporting thousands of jobs for U.S. citizens. Alexander Haig, former secretary of State and U.S. Army general, notably remarked, “Israel is the largest American aircraft carrier in the world that cannot be sunk, does not carry even one American soldier, and is located in a critical region for American national security.”..

srael’s military research and development complex has pioneered many cutting-edge technologies that are transforming the face of modern war, ... It is difficult to quantify the value of Israeli assistance to the U.S., but it clearly reveals a relationship between two allies that is a “two-way street.”..

Israel’s contributions to the U.S. are not limited to the spheres of intelligence and military innovations. The U.S. has benefited from technologies such as drip irrigation technology and wastewater recycling,

(Excerpt) Read more at americanthinker.com ...


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Aside from copy and paste, I post little now, but which includes this:

Imagine what the response would be by the Left to a nation in Africa that;

► constituted last than 0.2% of the geography of that nation;

► was surrounded by 22 nations that either are hostile to it, or tolerate its presence due to the allies of this tiny nation;

► had a historical right to the land that predates the current claimants to it by more than 1,000 years;

► has had to fight wars for its survival since its modern inception as a nation;

► has won these wars despite being outnumbered, with both sides having allies (supernatural included); ► has returned over 90% of the territory it captured as a result of wars;

► Is home to thousands of Arabs who live peacefully as citizens,with rights, and who do no have to enlist in the military;

► has sacrificed and been willing to sacrifice much in attempting to live in peace with enemies, who from the outset rejected a UN partition place, and persisted in refusing to live in peace with the minority nation.

More can be added, but unless this tiny African nation was the wrong color, and or Jewish, even the Left would normally be sympathetic to it. If it were not for Jewish money, Israel would hardly see any support from the Left. Sad that many so-called conservatives fight against Israel.

Though Israel itself (as with the US, etc.) suffers some chastisement via the wicked which can be God’s sword, (Psalms 17:13) due to unbelief and tolerance of immorality (think Tel Aviv), Israel is clearly the victim in its quest to live in peace.

1 posted on 08/09/2025 3:40:02 AM PDT by daniel1212
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To: daniel1212

Israel was attacked. They’re the innocent party.

But let’s not by coy. “Investment” is a political redirection, about what is really foreign welfare. The same basic mental gymnastics conducted in this article about “investment” holds for the billions sent Ukraine. Or Iran.

If Israel or whoever wants to buy weapons systems, they can call a sales rep at Northrop Grumman. Or Raytheon. Etc. Then, Israel or whoever can pay for it without using their US Treasury debit card.

If American citizens feel strongly about Israel or Ukrain or whoever, they can send money from their checking account to their country of choice via Venmo.


2 posted on 08/09/2025 4:16:53 AM PDT by DoodleBob (Gravity's waiting period is about 9.8 m/s²)
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To: daniel1212

I worked for the American division of an Israeli defense company. Yes, they benefited from US technology but they mostly take what they can use and improve it. Here’s why we don’t. I twice had an opportunity to present ideas for improvements and products to a program manager and the VP of marketing at General Dynamics. The PM said, “Damn! That’s genius! I don’t want to rain on your parade but GD does not invest a single dollar in development unless they get that dollar back by the end of that fiscal year. We do what the government tells us and they have to pay for it.” When presented with an idea to upgrade India’s existing fleet of Soviet vehicles to current US standards using existing drawings they had inherited from an acquisition the VP of marketing kept repeating, “We don’t want to sell them upgrades. We want them to buy Stryker’s.” I demonstrated that was both politically and fiscally impossible, yet he repeated it three times. I felt like I was talking to an animatronic recorder.

Contrast this with the Israeli company. Someone as low as a factory floor worker could flag down the CEO, present an idea and that idea would be acted on if the CEO felt it might, might be valuable. I saw this happen from all levels of employee. The result was dramatic compounding improvements in production, reliability and technology. The US is, to my knowledge, always presented with these improvements and they almost never take advantage. But the opportunity is there. The reason is, implementing even a small change with a huge improvement costs an amazing amount to implement worldwide because of documentation updates.


3 posted on 08/09/2025 4:33:13 AM PDT by Gen.Blather (I had a tagline and I dropped it. The cat back-pawed it under the Barcalounger. )
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To: All

All the information given below is info Israel and its annoying stalwarts do not want you to know.


Historically, a large portion of US tax dollars given as “military aid” to Israel has been provided through Foreign Military Financing (FMF) grants, which allow Israel to purchase US military equipment and services.

While this is a form of foreign aid, it is important to note that Israel’s total control of Congress has sometimes allowed it to inveigle Congress into transforming “bills due for military aid” into “gifts.”

Here’s a breakdown of how the FMF program works in relation to Israel:

<><>Grants for purchases: The FMF program provides grant funding that Israel uses to purchase defense articles and services from the United States.

<><>Long-term agreement: This funding is part of a 10-year Memorandum of Understanding (MOU) between the U.S. and Israeli governments, ensuring a consistent level of military assistance. The current MOU allocates $3.3 billion annually for FMF and an additional $500 million for cooperative missile defense programs. Not direct gifts: Israel uses these funds to purchase military equipment and services, essentially using U.S. grant money to buy U.S. goods and support industries.

It is also crucial to be aware that the U.S. may provide additional military assistance to Israel beyond the FMF program, particularly during times of conflict or emergencies, as evidenced by supplemental appropriations following the October 7, 2023, attacks.

In essence, while the U.S. provides substantial US tax dollars for Israel’s defense needs through the FMF program, it’s structured as a turnaround——tax dollars given for “purchases.” Until Israel decides to have “purchases” turned into “gifts” by Congress.


4 posted on 08/09/2025 5:47:21 AM PDT by Liz (May you be in Heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead (Irish bless ing))
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To: Gen.Blather
GD does not invest a single dollar in development unless they get that dollar back by the end of that fiscal year.

That's probably accurate. To be fair, if i was in the national security production or R&D, I might have the same attitude. Why? Because as soon as the WH switches to Dim your funding might be cut and your business doesn't recoup losses for R&D. It's a risky business decision when the Dims think of America's military might as the equivalent of arming the evil of the planet.

Israel doesn't seem to have that kind of wavering support for military capability. Their R&D can push forward knowing they'll see it to completion.

5 posted on 08/09/2025 5:50:34 AM PDT by Tell It Right (1 Thessalonians 5:21 -- Put everything to the test, hold fast to that which is true.)
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To: All

All the information given below is info Israel and its annoying stalwarts do not want you to know.


The Foreign Military Financing (FMF) program, through which the United States provides grants to Israel to purchase American military equipment and services, has historically allowed Israel certain unique privileges compared to other recipients. These privileges have enabled Israel to benefit in several ways:

<><>Offshore Procurement (OSP): For many years, Israel was allowed to convert a portion of its FMF funds into Israeli Shekels (ILS) and spend it within Israel, supporting its domestic defense industry........under the current Memorandum of Understanding (MOU), it historically channeled hundreds of millions of dollars into the Israeli defense industry.

<><>Access to Advanced Technology & Military Edge (QME): FMF has provided Israel access to advanced US military technology and platforms, including the F-35 fighter jet, according to the U.S. Department of State. This has been instrumental in maintaining Israel’s Qualitative Military Edge (QME) over potential adversaries in the region.

<><>Cash Flow Financing: Israel has the advantage of “Cash Flow Financing,” which allows it to make multi-year purchases of defense articles and services without needing to pay the full amount upfront, providing greater financial flexibility.

<><>Direct Commercial Sales (DCS): Unlike most other FMF recipients who must use the Foreign Military Sales (FMS) system (government-to-government sales), Israel is permitted to use FMF for Direct Commercial Sales (DCS). This allows Israel to deal directly with US arms manufacturers, streamlining the acquisition process in certain cases and providing more transparency in some aspects, though DCS notifications are not always public, according to the Center for International Policy.

<><>Expedited Congressional Review: Israel benefits from a shortened congressional review period for proposed arms sales compared to most other countries, allowing for quicker approvals. Plus the ability for Israel to get the Congress to transform “bills for arms” into “gifts.”

<><>Impact on Israel’s defense industry: The FMF program has historically played a vital role in the growth and development of the Israeli defense industry, even though the allowance for converting funds into Israeli Shekels is being phased out.

The need to spend a larger proportion of FMF in the United States has also driven Israeli defense companies to establish operations or partnerships in the US to access these funds and remain competitive, Defense Update says.


In Shadow of War, a Snapshot of US Military Assistance to Israel-—Oct 13, 2023 — The current MOU commits the United States to $3.3 billion in annual FMF to Israel, the largest routine FMF package the United States provides on an yearly basis...

Stimson Center-——Israels-Exceptional-Security-Partnership-with-Washington.pdf
* Israel is the largest historical recipient of U.S. foreign assistance, totaling more than $146 billion since 1950, equivalent to $236 billion in 2018 dollars,

Center for International Policy-——Israel - Aerospace and Defense | Privacy Shield-—U.S. Export Control requireme nts are considered a serious challenge by local manufacturer s procuring components that will be integrated in systems for export

The US cannot sell arms to any other country if it would interfere with Israel’s miliraey superiority.


6 posted on 08/09/2025 5:59:44 AM PDT by Liz (May you be in Heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead (Irish bless ing))
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To: All

All the information given below is info Israel and its annoying stalwarts do not want you to know.


Trump and Biden restricted sensitive technological exports to China. As a result, China turned to “cooperative Israel.” China’s direct investment in Israel’s IT industry, especially in chips and semiconductors, now has increased.

Speaking before a gathering of business people from both countries, the Israeli prime minister encouraged China “to assume its rightful place… on the world stage. We are your perfect junior partner for that effort,” Netanyahu added. “…I believe this is a marriage made in heaven.”

In 2017, Israeli PM Netanyahu said China accounts for one-third of the investment in Israeli high technology, which includes US military technology the US shares w/ Israel, its strongest ally. In the ’90s, Israel sold military equipment and technologies to China, including the Harpy missile system.

This incident chilled relations between the United States and Israel, with Israel being suspended from its status as Security Cooperative Participant in the Joint Strike Fighter program. However, on 6 November 2005, Israel stated that it has been re-admitted into the program.

The US had to pressure Israel to stop sharing US military technology w/ China. Yet Israel still doesn’t restrict China from acquiring dual-usage technologies that could have military implications against the US.

A succession of US administrations warned Israel about its growing tie with China, sharing concern about China using Israel as a backdoor to access sensitive technologies from the US.

The most vocal objection to Sino-Israeli ties came from the Trump administration. When former Secy of State Mike Pompeo visited Israel in 2019, he warned Israelis that the CCP “engages in spying through its commercial state-owned enterprises and presents risk through its technology systems. Pompeo said China’s actions posed a risk.

Unfortunately, Israel largely brushed aside the warnings. Like many other countries, China’s massive market has enticed Israel. Plus, the Israeli government hopes China’s good relationships with Arab nations may help Israel.

Netanyahu was working on a Sino-Israeli free trade agreement and planned to visit China. But China’s siding w/ Hamas alerted Israel’s leaders to the reality that Communist China’s relationship with Israel is purely transactional.

China is Israel’s 2nd largest trading partner,
with total trade value reaching a whopping $24.45 billion.


7 posted on 08/09/2025 6:13:53 AM PDT by Liz (May you be in Heaven half an hour before the devil knows you're dead (Irish bless ing))
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To: daniel1212
Wake me up when Marjorie Taylor Greene starts chopping out military aid to Japan, South Korea, and Europe.
8 posted on 08/09/2025 6:13:54 AM PDT by zeestephen (Trump Landslide? Kamala lost the election by 230,000 votes, in WI, MI, and PA.)
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To: daniel1212

God made a promise to Israel. He did not make one to the United States. I’m finding out who really is a Christian or not. We turn our backs on Israel; we will no longer be a blessed nation.


9 posted on 08/09/2025 6:40:02 AM PDT by roving
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To: Liz

God supports Israel, so I support Israel. That is good enough for me. Jesus said Israel would be a heavy stone for all nations. Even we won’t come to her aid at the end.


10 posted on 08/09/2025 6:43:58 AM PDT by roving
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To: Gen.Blather

When your military industrial establishment is soft and what it does has nothing to do with any immediate existential threat to your country, it will deny a place to the real entrepreneurs because they make waves in the cozy long standing relationships.

And when innovation does seep into our military industrial complex, then every actor in that complex, in and out of government, plus plenty of actors from Congress, will add 20 million additional needless bells and whistles, making a bloated mess of any good idea.

In Israel, a country under constant existential threat, they don’t have time for that nonsense.

Another similar case in point:

Recently some top people from a couple of the shipyards that build our navy ships, and some top brass from the Navy, visited a shipyard in South Korea that builds military ships for the South Korean Navy. The American visitors were amazed, as the South Korean shipyard was so far advanced compared to the American shipyards, and the building process so much more automated and so much more efficient, and of such greater quality. Why? In part, the existential threat from North Korea puts the attention where it belongs - building the best they can and doing it as fast as possible.


11 posted on 08/09/2025 7:19:52 AM PDT by Wuli (uire)
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To: DoodleBob

Another POView is that $$ to Uk or Israel is to test bed weapons systems in real combat. We give taxpayer $$, which is returned as buys to US MIComplex. Then, the weapons are tested.
Sorta perverse, but seems to work.


12 posted on 08/09/2025 7:47:13 AM PDT by bobbo666
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To: zeestephen

We need to go to LOANS not aid.


13 posted on 08/09/2025 9:59:46 AM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: daniel1212

Then don’t spy on America, welcome Pollard at the airport as a national Israeli hero, and run a whorehouse in the Caribbean with 14 year old girls. Also if we are such good buddies, quit harassing Christians.

Oh, and stop protecting pedophiles who flee the USA from extradition.


14 posted on 08/09/2025 10:16:01 AM PDT by DesertRhino (When men on the chessboard, get up and tell you where to go…)
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To: roving

“God made a promise to Israel. He did not make one to the United States. I’m finding out who really is a Christian or not.”

Bullcrap. That covenant was fulfilled when Jesus came. Now God’s chosen people are the ones who accept and follow Jesus, not some nation state created in 1948 by people who at best see Jesus as a false prophet, or at worst, a liar boiling in excrement.

In WWII, the Inland division of GM built M-1 Carbines. In 2016 a new company named itself “Inland” and started building new M-1 Carbines. They had nothing to do with the old company...they simply picked up an expired trademark and used the name. But a WWII Inland is not an original and never will be.

That modern nation-state rejects the God of Christianity. They make a lot of mileage getting low-IQ Christians to think that supporting Tel Aviv is God’s commandment. Nothing could be further from the truth.


15 posted on 08/09/2025 10:29:42 AM PDT by DesertRhino (When men on the chessboard, get up and tell you where to go…)
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To: cowboyusa
Re: "Loans, not aid."

Until Hamas started the recent war, Israel was getting $3 billion a year.

Israel gets close to $12 billion a year in 2025, less than half as much as Ukraine gets.

I never see the anti-Israel Free Republic Battalion complain about the 90,000 USA boots on the ground in South Korea, Japan, and NATO.

That costs at least $100 billion each year and risks American lives.

16 posted on 08/09/2025 12:05:30 PM PDT by zeestephen (Trump Landslide? Kamala lost the election by 230,000 votes, in WI, MI, and PA.)
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To: zeestephen

I want that for EVERYONE.


17 posted on 08/09/2025 1:05:55 PM PDT by cowboyusa (YESHUA IS KING OF AMERICA, AND HE WILL HAVE NO GODS BEFORE HIM!)
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To: daniel1212
► had a historical right to the land that predates the current claimants to it by more than 1,000 years;

Not true:

Second Temple Israel lost its mandate. Now the Church possesses it


18 posted on 08/09/2025 1:52:14 PM PDT by ebb tide (The Synodal "church" is not the Catholic Church.)
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. “Investment” is a political redirection, about what is really foreign welfare

Not in the real world when dealing with enemies and allies. Continually giving money to class of nations that squander it and serve no strategic purpose is not the same as providing aid to countries that are very effectively deterring a common enemy.

But perhaps you think the US should have been strictly neutral in 1939 onward. Or that helping Israel is like do so to a corrupt S. Vietnam government.

19 posted on 08/09/2025 6:27:58 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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I worked for the American division of an Israeli defense company. Yes, they benefited from US technology but they mostly take what they can use and improve it. Here’s why we don’t. ..Contrast this with the Israeli company. Someone as low as a factory floor worker could flag down the CEO, present an idea and that idea would be acted on if the CEO felt it might, might be valuable. I saw this happen from all levels of employee.

Sounds like Detroit vs. Japan in the 80's.

20 posted on 08/09/2025 6:30:33 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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