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US to demand Putin accept Ukraine's right to military force, Bloomberg News reports
Jerusalem Post ^ | 4/24/2025 | Reuters

Posted on 04/24/2025 9:28:41 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

The United States will demand that Russia accept Ukraine's right to have its own army and defense industry as part of a peace agreement between Moscow and Kyiv, Bloomberg News reported on Thursday, citing people familiar with the matter. US special envoy Steve Witkoff is expected to raise the issue with Russian President Vladimir Putin when they next meet, the report added.

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1 posted on 04/24/2025 9:28:41 AM PDT by marcusmaximus
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All we can do is give Ukraine more weapons. Will Europe step up?


2 posted on 04/24/2025 9:30:56 AM PDT by DIRTYSECRET
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To: marcusmaximus

All people have a right to defend themselves.


3 posted on 04/24/2025 9:31:13 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: marcusmaximus

London and Brussels have given the middle finger to Trump regarding his peace negotiations, and have said many times they will continue to support Ukraine in the war - and even send EU troops.

So demanding Russia simply “make peace,” when the nearly the entire EU and their Ukraine puppets want to continue the war is a rather stupid media narrative.


4 posted on 04/24/2025 9:34:59 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: marcusmaximus

Putin is trying to get Ukraine down to just a police force and then go back in and conquer the whole country like he tried to do 3 years ago.


5 posted on 04/24/2025 9:36:31 AM PDT by libertylover (Our biggest problem, by far, is that almost all of big media is AGENDA-DRIVEN, not-truth driven.)
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To: marcusmaximus

Captain Crunch is the US. He works for Trump. Without Trump just who in the hell will support Ukraininan AFU.

Nazi’s gotta go.


6 posted on 04/24/2025 9:38:11 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: Magnum44

Obviously.


7 posted on 04/24/2025 9:47:26 AM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: marcusmaximus
--- "...citing people familiar with the matter."

Wonderful news! At least one of the two non-NATO nations at war for these last three years is being asked to "accept Ukraine's right to have its own army and defense industry" when in demonstrable fact both nations have shown they have armies and defense industries.

This is a certainty because of "people familiar with the matter."

In a month or so, those ,looming default on debt issues will be showing up, so this stuff according to 'people familiar with the matter" are keeping a world of media messaging busy.

And it gives you something to do.

8 posted on 04/24/2025 9:50:05 AM PDT by Worldtraveler once upon a time (Degrow government)
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To: Magnum44

Yes. But no right to make me buy their ammo.


9 posted on 04/24/2025 9:59:43 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: DIRTYSECRET

Europe is already stepping up: more weapons from France, Germany, Sweden and Norway. Several billion dollars worth. And a billion dollars buys a lot more in Swedish weaponry than American.


10 posted on 04/24/2025 10:02:01 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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Your post makes no sense to me. Who is making you buy their ammo? Is it at a good price? I might be interested.


11 posted on 04/24/2025 10:02:29 AM PDT by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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All we can do is give Ukraine more weapons. Will Europe step up?

Let's see... who can remember who was blamed for the Chernobyl nuclear power plant disaster? Was it Ukraine, or was it Russia? And were the troops who were sent in to take care of the problem mostly from Russia and the USSR or from Ukraine?

And for our final Jeopardy Question...

After centuries of being part of the same country... How many years has it been since Ukraine finally had a government illegally installed that was not in the Russian sphere of influence?

Alex has it been just over 10 years?

12 posted on 04/24/2025 10:10:32 AM PDT by fireman15
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To: PGR88

Just walk away.


13 posted on 04/24/2025 10:15:56 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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To: fireman15
Most of Ukraine West of the Dnipro was part of Lithuania and then the Polish-Lithuanian Commonwealth for 400 years.

That's why they aren't slaves like Russians.

14 posted on 04/24/2025 10:17:12 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: PGR88

That is why intelligent people want the USA to get out of NATO and away from the EU.

The EU is nothing but a bunch of godless leeches run by perverts.


15 posted on 04/24/2025 10:21:10 AM PDT by crz
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So demanding Russia simply “make peace,” when the nearly the entire EU and their Ukraine puppets want to continue the war is a rather stupid media narrative.

This kind of overlooks who invaded whom, right? I mean, if Russia said "okay, we'll all just go back to the way things were before the invasion and have peace", the war would end tomorrow. The only reason the war continues is that Russia is demanding territory that Russia itself previously recognized as belonging to Ukraine.

16 posted on 04/24/2025 10:21:53 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin ( )
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To: cowboyusa

Just walk away.

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We should but apparently won’t.

Too many bond holders in Europe and North America are holding crappy investments in the ‘westernizing’ Ukraine Project.

They’ll eventually try to make up their losses in the rebuilding/reconstruction of Ukraine.


17 posted on 04/24/2025 10:23:28 AM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel. )
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To: marcusmaximus
Trump's approach to get a ceasefire first is misguided. Neither side will agree until they see a way out to a real peace. Ukraine will not capitulate and needs security guarantees. Putin needs something he can sell as victory after the huge losses Russia has suffered.

Ukraine should agree to recognize Luhansk, Donetsk and Crimea as Russian in exchange for getting back the currently occupied areas of Kherson and Zaporizhia. It should also get an agreement with several states for a military alliance: probably the Scandinavians, Baltics, Poland, Romania and Turkey. Plus EU membership. Putin gets those territories, no NATO, and gradual lifting of sanctions as both parties comply with various steps. Transnistria should go back to Moldova to prevent further Russian provocations.

18 posted on 04/24/2025 10:26:20 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: crz
The EU is nothing but a bunch of godless leeches run by perverts.

So not much different from our government, eh?

19 posted on 04/24/2025 10:28:11 AM PDT by pierrem15 ("Massacrez-les, car le seigneur connait les siens" )
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To: unclebankster

When President Trump’s pachence is exhausted, we will.


20 posted on 04/24/2025 10:29:32 AM PDT by cowboyusa
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