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Stocks are still higher than normal
shiller-pe ^ | 03/17/2025 | shiller

Posted on 03/17/2025 3:30:33 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes


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Normal average over past 100 years is between 15 and 20 P/E
1 posted on 03/17/2025 3:30:33 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes
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To: Bobbyvotes

Buffwt apparently thinks so as well.


2 posted on 03/17/2025 3:32:42 PM PDT by MeneMeneTekelUpharsin (Freedom is the freedom to discipline yourself so others don't have to do it for you.)
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To: Bobbyvotes

MSM keeps saying market is crashing. That is a lie, 10% drop in an over-valued market is just a routine correction.


3 posted on 03/17/2025 3:32:59 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin

I still think a quite a bit more correction is due, I would not call it a crash though.


4 posted on 03/17/2025 3:39:55 PM PDT by Skwor
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To: Bobbyvotes

What do you think about Tesla trading at a little over half what it was in December?


5 posted on 03/17/2025 3:39:59 PM PDT by hardspunned (Look for the“Putin Stooge” libel, news from Ukraine you’ve gradually grown to trust over 30 months s)
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To: Bobbyvotes

They keep saying “we’re headed for a recession” when we were under one with Autopen at the helm.


6 posted on 03/17/2025 3:49:34 PM PDT by AbolishCSEU (Amount of "child" support paid is inversely proportionate to mother's actual parenting of children)
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To: Bobbyvotes

Graph ends in April 2024 (a year ago).


7 posted on 03/17/2025 3:56:37 PM PDT by Repeal The 17th (Get out of the matrix and get a real life.)
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To: Bobbyvotes

It went above 30 in 2019.

If you got out then you missed:

Dow up 125%

JPM up 230%

CVX up 170%

ETN up 320%

Plus Dividends


8 posted on 03/17/2025 3:57:43 PM PDT by TexasGator (X1.1111'1'./iI11 .I1.11.'1I1.I'')
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To: Repeal The 17th

“Graph ends in April 2024 (a year ago).”

Grid ends in 2024. Data extends past grid.


9 posted on 03/17/2025 3:59:50 PM PDT by TexasGator (X1.1111'1'./iI11 .I1.11.'1I1.I'')
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To: Bobbyvotes

“Normal average over past 100 years is between 15 and 20 P/E”

According to your chart we haven’t seen P/E’s between 15-20 since the 2008 crash. The market has been overvalued for many years because the fed kept interest rates artificially low and money had nowhere else to go but stocks.

In recent years interest rates have risen a bit, bonds got hit and then recovered but high dividend stocks still seem better than bonds in many cases. I’m a long term investor and ready to ride out downturns which could occur at any moment. Expect some level of volatility.


10 posted on 03/17/2025 4:01:12 PM PDT by plain talk
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To: Bobbyvotes

Chiller looks at the past. The market looks at the future.


11 posted on 03/17/2025 4:01:38 PM PDT by TexasGator (X1.1111'1'./iI11 .I1.11.'1I1.I'')
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To: TexasGator

“Chiller looks at the past. The market looks at the future.”

Past performance is not at all an indicator of the future


12 posted on 03/17/2025 4:11:38 PM PDT by algore
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To: hardspunned

No offence to Elon Musk, but more people are recognizing the problems with EV’s at their current stage of development. Other than people with more money than brains virtue signaling over the human caused climate change scam, where’s the target market? Now the aforesaid have TDS to signal about and the already limited market is smaller than ever.


13 posted on 03/17/2025 4:40:30 PM PDT by katana
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To: TexasGator

No one can predict future except Nostradamus. Economist have correctly predicted 10 out of the past 3 recessions.
Those who ignore history (past) are doomed to repeat mistakes.


14 posted on 03/17/2025 5:03:16 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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To: hardspunned

Good for nimble trading. Do not use bread money to buy Tesla.


15 posted on 03/17/2025 5:04:21 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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To: AbolishCSEU

Economist have correctly predicted 10 recessions out of actual 3.


16 posted on 03/17/2025 5:05:39 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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To: plain talk

Agree with all you said.
Not only Fed kept interest rates artificially low, they also printed money to cover federal deficit spending.
Printed money does not disappear. It keeps exchanging hands ending up in stocks, real estate. A very small portion goes under the mattress. Result is stocks & real-estate inflates more than normal.


17 posted on 03/17/2025 5:11:41 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opinions.)
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18 posted on 03/17/2025 5:12:57 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: TexasGator

Bull markets can last a long time. Printing money to cover federal deficit inflates stocks. We are now spending more to service national debt than defense. When dollar crashes, it won’t be pretty.


19 posted on 03/17/2025 5:14:59 PM PDT by Bobbyvotes (I am in mid-80's and I am not gonna change my opininn ons.)
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To: Bobbyvotes

Well said.

It is like a long term bubble of sorts. Or like a gigantic Titanic that long ago hit an iceberg. How long can this montrosity stay afloat? Probably a long time. Particulary since most of the world is in even worse shape.

A ponzi scheme that may outlive me.


20 posted on 03/17/2025 5:31:40 PM PDT by plain talk
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