A similar agreement did get them out of Austria, and that’s why Austria is not a NATO member to this day.
And we didn’t want nuclear missiles in Cuba. Theirs is a completely understandable position.
The dirty little secret is deep down, the Euros really don’t want Ukraine in NATO, but it is a good bargaining chip, so they’ll pretend that they really do want them in NATO.
I say it’s about time to call the Russians bluff and see if they take it, if they keep moving the goalposts, then we’ll know where we stand.
We should let them know we plan on leaving NATO ourselves.
Negotiating.
NATO doesn’t go around invading and annexing new members. Countries scramble to become a NATO member because they are afraid of Russia. Russia wants the opportunity to scare Ukraine into doing whatever they want anytime they want. That’s what they’re insisting on. If Ukraine was a member of NATO (which I can’t see happening) then Russia would flex, and Ukraine would yawn.
Seems understandable.
“Russia wants ‘ironclad’ guarantee that Ukraine will be barred from NATO: official”
Despite previous “ironclad” agreement to respect Ukraine’s borders if Ukraine gave up nukes, Russian invaded anyway. Russia now demands right to arbitrarily continue invading and dominate Ukraine at will with Russia suffering no consequences..
Is there a town in Ukraine named “Vichy”.
Speaking to reporters in the Oval Office, Trump urged Ukraine to “get on the ball and get a job done” as he expressed frustration over Kyiv’s position over peace talks, saying he found it “more difficult, frankly, to deal with Ukraine.”
He said that Russia is “bombing the hell out of” Ukraine but argued that Russian President Vladimir Putin had “all the cards” when it came to negotiating a peace deal.
The beauty of this is that it is such an easy concession. Were I 47 I’d go one better and say, “How about we end NATO? Would that work? A win for both of us.”
Reasonable.
Perfect opening position: offer the US to leave NATO if Ukraine is allowed in. Promise never to go back.
I'd give them that guarantee, and it would only become null and void if Russia were to invade.
A while back...I heard "Z" say...we'll stop the war...then I can join NATO...then provoke a skirmish with Russia...and then the NATO countries will have to join the fight...and I'll get all the land back.
We are ready to go to war to ensure we can continue our policy of provocatively expanding the borders of the alliance we established to prevent war!
Military Summary Channel
https://youtu.be/pth_Z3Aey_U?si=yFmyxfZB3r7tqL08
No nonsense. Just the facts
It wouldn’t matter if the were in NATO since no members have the balls to stand up to Russian aggression regardless.
YouCrayne will not be a Member of NATO Maxipad.