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A pilot’s view on why helicopter did not avoid passenger jet in Washington crash...Dominic Nicholls, who flew helicopters for the British Army, explains how airspace is usually controlled to avoid accidents
Yahoo - Telegraph - UK ^ | Dominic Nicholls Associate Editor (Defence).

Posted on 01/30/2025 11:20:14 AM PST by Red Badger

In order to enable safe flight, airspace is split into categories ranging from very tightly controlled areas around airports to other zones – mostly rural – where rules are much more relaxed.

The most stringently controlled zones are Class A airspace, such as the area around the Ronald Reagan National Airport in Washington.

Pilots must obtain clearance from Air Traffic Control (ATC) to enter and, except in an emergency situation, must follow ATC instructions – such as on heading, height or clearance to land – to the letter.

If reconstructions of the situation in Washington on Wednesday night and ATC instructions are correct, a passenger aircraft seems to have been given clearance to line up and land on runway 33 (the runway is laid out on heading 330 degrees, with the opposite direction being 150 degrees.)

Donald Trump took to his Truth Social network overnight and wrote: “The airplane was on a perfect and routine line of approach to the airport.

“The helicopter was going straight at the airplane for an extended period of time. It is a clear night, the lights on the plane were blazing, why didn’t the helicopter go up or down, or turn.”

In ordinary flight outside controlled airspace, when two aircraft are approaching each other the aircraft on the right-hand side has right of way.

This is why one wing has a red light and the other green – approaching aircraft have a visual cue to take avoiding action or not, depending on which colour of light they see.

Once given clearance to land by ATC, however, an aircraft does not have to alter course even if, as seems to be the case in this incident, another aircraft (the military Black Hawk helicopter) is closing in on its right-hand side.

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1 posted on 01/30/2025 11:20:14 AM PST by Red Badger
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To: 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; 2ndDivisionVet; 2sheds; 60Gunner; 6AL-4V; A.A. Cunningham; ...

Aviation Ping!....................


2 posted on 01/30/2025 11:21:06 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

The pilots are less responsible, imo, than those who were supposed to ensure safe airways.


3 posted on 01/30/2025 11:25:44 AM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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To: Red Badger

Airborne collision avoidance radar hasn’t been invented yet


4 posted on 01/30/2025 11:28:35 AM PST by bunkerhill7 (Don't shoot until you see the whites of their lies)
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To: Red Badger

It’s impossible to believe that the approach/takeoff paths to/from Reagan airport are not major freeway on-ramps and off-ramps that are marked and known and tightly controlled, etc; etc;

To state the obvious.


5 posted on 01/30/2025 11:28:50 AM PST by Attention Surplus Disorder (The Democrat breadlines will be gluten-free. )
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To: Red Badger

I wonder what the helicopter pilot’s name was. Just asking for a friend of course.


6 posted on 01/30/2025 11:30:28 AM PST by NewHampshireDuo ( )
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To: bunkerhill7

I wonder if an AI ATC would work?....................


7 posted on 01/30/2025 11:30:54 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

Might be a ‘trans’ Atlantic flight


8 posted on 01/30/2025 11:32:40 AM PST by Vaquero (In Don't pick a fight with an old guy. ReataurantIf he is too old to fight, he'llz just kill you. )
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To: Red Badger

I’ve never worn — or evn seen — a flight-quailified night vision rig, BUT I’ll speculate they aren’t a “wide angke” view.

Can any real-life MIL pilots comment on this?

Could tunnel vision be a contributing factor?


9 posted on 01/30/2025 11:34:49 AM PST by William of Barsoom (In Omnia, Paratus)
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To: NewHampshireDuo

https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-14343183/pilot-jonathan-campos-officer-samuel-lilley-doomed-American-Eagle-jet-DC-plane-crash-revealed.html

6 years experience for pilot, 2 for first officer.


10 posted on 01/30/2025 11:35:12 AM PST by mairdie
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To: William of Barsoom

https://freerepublic.com/focus/news/4293674/posts?page=90#90


11 posted on 01/30/2025 11:36:08 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

In ordinary flight outside controlled airspace, when two aircraft are approaching each other the aircraft on the right-hand side has right of way.

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Likewise with watercraft, I believe the starboard craft has right of way.


12 posted on 01/30/2025 11:36:53 AM PST by z3n (Kakistocracy)
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To: Red Badger
The most stringently controlled zones are Class A airspace, such as the area around the Ronald Reagan National Airport in Washington.

This is why you can't believe anything writen in a newspaper these days. Class A goes from 18,000 ft through FL600.

13 posted on 01/30/2025 11:37:29 AM PST by ALPAPilot
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To: NewHampshireDuo

People suspect its DEI and incompetence in the airlines - it could just as much be DEI and incompetence in the military.


14 posted on 01/30/2025 11:39:55 AM PST by PGR88
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To: Red Badger
I wonder if an AI ATC would work?....................

Only if it is handicapped or LGBTQ+.

15 posted on 01/30/2025 11:40:42 AM PST by gitmo (If your theology doesn’t become your biography, what good is it?)
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I wonder if an AI ATC would work?....................

"The AI ATC system has encountered a serious problem and needs to restart. Please wait."

16 posted on 01/30/2025 11:44:40 AM PST by Campion (Everything is a grace, everything is the direct effect of our Father's love - Little Flower)
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To: Jonty30

Notably, the helo’s altitude appeared to be over 100 feet higher than the permissable maximum altitude ceiling given by flight restrictions for helicopters along that Potomac corridor. This would be a pilot error.


17 posted on 01/30/2025 11:45:34 AM PST by steve86 (Numquam accusatus, numquam ad curiam ibit, numquam ad carcerem™)
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To: bunkerhill7

All commercial aircraft have a system called TCAS which stands for traffic collision avoidance system which is supposed to warn the pilot of an aircraft that is to close. I don’t think that combat aircraft have it.


18 posted on 01/30/2025 11:47:59 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Before you post a nasty, stop and think: "Would that person slap me if I said it in person?" )
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To: Red Badger

Once given clearance to land by ATC, however, an aircraft does not have to alter course even if, as seems to be the case in this incident, another aircraft (the military Black Hawk helicopter) is closing in on its right-hand side.

I understand they don’t have to take evasive action but couldn’t in this case (presumably).


19 posted on 01/30/2025 11:48:25 AM PST by erlayman (E )
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To: steve86

That would be pilot error, I submit to that point.
He may have had reason to do that, that I’m not aware of. I don’t know why he did that.


20 posted on 01/30/2025 11:50:03 AM PST by Jonty30 (If you ate your twin in the womb, your pronouns should be we/us.)
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