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Aviation Consultant Says Official Explanation of South Korean Plane Crash Doesn't Add Up
Western Journal ^ | December 31, 2024 | Randy DeSoto

Posted on 12/31/2024 7:20:05 AM PST by Red Badger

An aviation expert said that a bird strike alone would not sufficiently explain why a South Korean airline jet skidded off a runway and crashed, killing nearly every passenger on board.

On Sunday, Jeju Air Flight 2216 was landing at Muan International Airport about 180 miles south of Seoul when the incident occurred, according to the Wall Street Journal. The crash killed 179 of the 181 passengers and crew members onboard.

WARNING: The following post contains video of the crash, which may be disturbing for some readers.

VIDEO AT LINK.................

“There are a million backups on this airplane. It’s extremely safe, and that’s what a lot of people are saying. They can’t understand why this airplane was landed on that runway at that speed with no flaps, with no gear. There might have been something else involved,” aviation consultant Mike Boyd told Fox News on Sunday.

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Pets/Animals; Travel; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: airline; aviation; crashed; jejuair; jejuairflight2216; korea; southkorea
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1 posted on 12/31/2024 7:20:05 AM PST by Red Badger
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AVIATION PING!................


2 posted on 12/31/2024 7:20:36 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Strange indeed - this will have the experts stumped for some time; backups plenty, no gear, no flaps.....


3 posted on 12/31/2024 7:38:47 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Red Badger

From my expert:

Bird strike likely, but was NOT the cause of the crash.

The cause was the loss of ALL THREE independent hydraulic systems and/or pilot error. The pilot error was to try and land so quickly before having time to assess the problems and go through all the proper check lists.

The gear can be lowered manually, so why didn’t they? TIME, panic.

“I MUST get back to the airport NOW!” itis.


4 posted on 12/31/2024 7:41:01 AM PST by faucetman (Just the facts, ma'am, Just the facts )
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To: Thank You Rush

It could be totally unrelated but maybe the “birds” were these:

https://www.bbc.com/news/articles/cvgw8vq2xxyo


5 posted on 12/31/2024 7:41:26 AM PST by cgbg (It is time to pull the Deep State out of the mass media--like ticks from a dog.)
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To: Red Badger

What the hell kind of bird did it hit?


6 posted on 12/31/2024 7:42:29 AM PST by Gary from Dayton (Army Vet 1986-1991 unburdened by what I was burdened by before.)
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To: Gary from Dayton

a dead bird


7 posted on 12/31/2024 7:44:58 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Where is ZORRO when California so desperately needs him?)
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To: Gary from Dayton

A CONCRETE one..................


8 posted on 12/31/2024 7:54:46 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Thank You Rush

The bird strike had to have occurred at an altitude and distance from the airport that would have been before the flaps and landing gear was down. Typically a couple of miles before landing. The only explanation was that the plane was put into a descent mode on the flight director (which is liked directly to the autopilot) and allowed to crash.

The 737-800 is sophisticated enough to follow the ILS to a spot near the beginning of the runway. If the landing gear and flaps were down and the spoilers were armed, the aircraft would nearly land itself, only requiring the thrust reversers to be actuated manually and brakes applied.

For these reasons, I believe that one or both pilots were dead and the plane as deliberately allowed to crash.


9 posted on 12/31/2024 7:57:20 AM PST by Blood of Tyrants (Before you post a nasty, stop and think: "Would that person slap me if I said it in person?" )
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To: faucetman
Major pilot error coupled with major stupidity in the airport's ILS design.

SK government is having a lot of problems lately and is trying to fend off the inevitable avalanche of criticism and lawsuits by suggesting Boeing is somehow at fault. The government will fall over this - unfortunate because the ruling party is at least nominally the conservative anti-Communist faction.

10 posted on 12/31/2024 8:02:25 AM PST by Mr. Jeeves ([CTRL]-[GALT]-[DELETE])
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To: Red Badger
Aviation Consultant Says Official Explanation of South Korean Plane Crash Doesn't Add Up

I have to take issue with the conspiratorial headline here. There simply is no "Official Explanation" of the crash at this time. The "Official Explanation" will be the final results of the investigation, and that probably won't be for a couple years.

What this guy is saying is being pretty widely said on the internet- plenty of qualified pilots willing to speak up on various fora- that plane came in way too fast, without landing gear, and touched down something like 2/3 down the runway. No chance in hell of even a relatively "safe" crash landing with those factors.

It does seem that some sort of major CRM issue will likely be pointed at in the end here, especially given the demonstrated issues in South Korean aviation culture recently, like Asiana 214.

Hopefully there's enough foreign (i.e. US, due to Boeing and the NTSB) influence to prevent the South Korean authorities circling the wagons and trying to obfuscate crew-related issues due to some sense of national pride, which, regrettably they've shown willingness to do (Asiana 214 again). We'll see.

Bottom line for those who don't have time to parse all the speculation: yes, the plane probably had a birdstrike. But according to folks with technical knowledge, no, it seems unlikely that the aircraft was so crippled that it didn't have flaps, landing gear, spoilers, or enough engine control to justify that desperate attempt at putting it down. Translation: the crew most likely f***ed up, badly. Again, we'll see. That's all pure speculation at this point, and I certainly am ill at ease making claims that defame the deceased flight crew who're unable to defend themselves.

We shall see.

A horrible event no matter how you slice it.
11 posted on 12/31/2024 8:06:59 AM PST by verum ago (I figure some people must truly be in love, for only love can be so blind.)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

“”For these reasons, I believe that one or both pilots were dead and the plane as deliberately allowed to crash.””

I understand and can definitely see why that might be a conclusion...pretty scary if true!

BUT also, what two members of the crew were pulled from the wreckage? I was thinking it would be those in the cockpit, Captain and FO but that would put a different slant on things. I assume there’s an FE on board a B737....


12 posted on 12/31/2024 8:11:44 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: Thank You Rush

I am thinking complete HYDRAULIC FAILURE.


13 posted on 12/31/2024 8:16:37 AM PST by ridesthemiles (not giving up on TRUMP---EVER)
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To: Thank You Rush

I’ve read that the 2 survivors were flight crew sitting at the very rear of the plane (probably on jump seats).

Was there any sign of damage to the cockpit area or smoke/fire indicated there before landing? I know some have viewed the crash frame by frame.


14 posted on 12/31/2024 8:25:52 AM PST by twyn1 (“An evil man will burn his own country to the ground to rule over the ashes”I thin)
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To: verum ago
Missed approach and the pilots retracted gear, flaps, and slats. #2 engine failed due to bird strikes. Pilots shut down the wrong engine. That 737 will fly easily on one engine.

They are relatively low and no longer had any thrust due to shutting down the wrong engine.

Panic then happens in the cockpit and pilot judgement is poor.

No time to get in landing configuration thus comes in hot, fast and clean. The pilots think they have just one chance to land regardless of not being in landing configuration. Lands long and fast and hits obstruction.

This is just supposition and the pilots may not be at fault.

15 posted on 12/31/2024 8:33:20 AM PST by cpdiii (cane cutter, deckhand, oilfield roughneck, drilling fluid tech, geologist, pilot, pharmacist ,MAGA)
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To: Red Badger

Okay just watch that video and read on this This makes absolutely no sense... No gear down no flaps down coming in at full power skitting on its belly into a concrete abutment

This is just pure craziness....

I’m going to say massively incompetent pilots who really were just trained monkeys for automation

And when the automation didn’t work they had no clue what the hell they were doing


16 posted on 12/31/2024 9:00:04 AM PST by tophat9000 (Tophat90000)
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To: Blood of Tyrants

I saw a video in which an an aviation expert pointed out that one of the pilots had his arm outstretched to the cockpit front window, as if to protect himself from the inevitable crash . You can see the arm outstretched . I think the pilots were alive.


17 posted on 12/31/2024 9:05:20 AM PST by kaila
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To: twyn1

“”I’ve read that the 2 survivors were flight crew “”

Then it’s true that the safest place to be in an airplane is in the back - last to go down...I know not funny.

I wasn’t thinking when I thought it meant the “cockpit” crew...not the way that plane hit that wall - impossible!

I don’t know if anyone could tell if there was sign of damage before landing. I don’t suppose anyone was watching it..I don’t know if there was a crowd at the airport waiting for family/friends or was it an alternate airport due to problems enroute???

This will be talked about as long as the Malaysian missing plane and TWA 800...I worked for a ground school that held prep classes for FAA exams in OC, CA whose owner flew for TWA. He never talked about that crash!!!


18 posted on 12/31/2024 9:08:57 AM PST by Thank You Rush
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To: ridesthemiles

It appears they didn’t throttle back the engines but I honestly know nothing about aircraft.


19 posted on 12/31/2024 9:49:30 AM PST by wgmalabama (For rent….)
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20 posted on 12/31/2024 10:30:58 AM PST by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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