Posted on 12/01/2024 9:11:16 AM PST by RandFan
Watching a documentary on the Muslim world i.e Constantinople, the grand buildings, mosques, infrastructure, design, technology, markets, culture etc.
Now I look at various countries and I wonder what went wrong.
What happened there? They were quite advanced at one stage weren't they?
Indeed it ended like this: 'As power shifts from East to West, Istanbul is allowed to keep its unique personality.'
All of that was stolen from the cultures they invaded.
Without oil the Gulf states would look like Afghanistan.
The ‘Muslim world’ was never great nor advanced. They co-opted the achievements of the cultures they conquered. Once those cultures were fully absorbed into Islam the inbreeding and societal rot set in.
There's a great myth in the marxist, post-modern 20th century West that somehow Islam was a beacon of science, freedom and intellectual curiosity. It's generally false. The Muslims occupied ancient centers of Greek/Roman learning like Alexandria or Damascus, and allowed those reservoirs of learning to exist, for the benefit of state power and its elites, for a while.
That's all. They were running on the fumes of a previous civilization.
The Muslim empire conquered a grand Christian civilization and coasted on their stolen prosperity until too many of their dhimis converted to the religion of death and stagnation. The Muslims raped, robbed, murdered and converted their productive captives to oblivion and then sank back into their original savagery and misery.
Islam happened to it. All the knowledge, drive, and know-how of the civilizations they conquer atrophy and die.
Nothing is left but the misery of Islam.
The sack of Baghdad in 1258 by the Mongols was a devastating setback for the Islamic world and ended their golden age that we have heard about. They remained militarily powerful but never really regained their cultural ascendancy. Around the same time, a century or so earlier, the university emerged in Europe and helped Europe leapfrog Islam in learning and science.
They moved into places that were already civilized and ran them into the ground.
One time I looked at that question and noticed that when the slams conquered someone things would be advanced for 50 to 170 years and then slip into what we think of as the result of Islam, backwardness.
When I was younger I used to wonder what was wrong or weird about Eastern Europe when compared to Western Europe and then noticed that the weird countries had for varying lengths of time been occupied by Islam.
Early Islam strikes me as a sort of parasitic devouring force that at first could coexist with the conquered peoples and see advancements, but eventually the dulling and crippling death cult drained them of their life force, in time all Islamic nations take on a grey tinge of grubby death and decay.
The Crusades and then later the Spanish inquisition along with a few other Inquisitions.
We may need more
Exactly. And so many of their “scholars” were captives from other cultures.
We toured empty Muslim temples in southern Spain in the mid-90s....they’re not empty any longer.
It's called eating the seed corn.
Well no.
They destroyed the Library at Alexandra, the one at Sarouyeh and the Academy at Gondishapur.
The Muslim’s conquered Christian lands
The grand Churches were changed over to not Christian Churches
Point of order: Muslims did not build the Hagia Sophia nor did they found Istanbul. That was the name-change to Constantinople. And that city had history stretching back a thousand years before the Muslims finally took it.
Islam always spreads from the blade of a sword, or the barrel of a gun. Nothing peaceful, productive, or joyous is ever the result of “accepting” it.
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