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What happened to the Muslim world?
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Posted on 12/01/2024 9:11:16 AM PST by RandFan

Watching a documentary on the Muslim world i.e Constantinople, the grand buildings, mosques, infrastructure, design, technology, markets, culture etc.

Now I look at various countries and I wonder what went wrong.

What happened there? They were quite advanced at one stage weren't they?


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Forgive the indulgence I'm genuinely curious and the documentary won't answer it.

Indeed it ended like this: 'As power shifts from East to West, Istanbul is allowed to keep its unique personality.'

1 posted on 12/01/2024 9:11:16 AM PST by RandFan
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2 posted on 12/01/2024 9:13:19 AM PST by DFG
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All of that was stolen from the cultures they invaded.


3 posted on 12/01/2024 9:14:09 AM PST by LukeL
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Islam. Islam is what happened to it.

Without oil the Gulf states would look like Afghanistan.

4 posted on 12/01/2024 9:16:27 AM PST by ealgeone
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The ‘Muslim world’ was never great nor advanced. They co-opted the achievements of the cultures they conquered. Once those cultures were fully absorbed into Islam the inbreeding and societal rot set in.


5 posted on 12/01/2024 9:18:10 AM PST by Islander7 (There is no septic system so vile, so filthy, the left won't drink from to further their agenda.)
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They were quite advanced at one stage weren't they?

There's a great myth in the marxist, post-modern 20th century West that somehow Islam was a beacon of science, freedom and intellectual curiosity. It's generally false. The Muslims occupied ancient centers of Greek/Roman learning like Alexandria or Damascus, and allowed those reservoirs of learning to exist, for the benefit of state power and its elites, for a while.

That's all. They were running on the fumes of a previous civilization.

6 posted on 12/01/2024 9:21:03 AM PST by PGR88
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The Muslim empire conquered a grand Christian civilization and coasted on their stolen prosperity until too many of their dhimis converted to the religion of death and stagnation. The Muslims raped, robbed, murdered and converted their productive captives to oblivion and then sank back into their original savagery and misery.


7 posted on 12/01/2024 9:22:54 AM PST by wildcard_redneck
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Islam happened to it. All the knowledge, drive, and know-how of the civilizations they conquer atrophy and die.

Nothing is left but the misery of Islam.


8 posted on 12/01/2024 9:24:31 AM PST by BenLurkin (The above is not a statement of fact. It is either opinion, or satire, or both.)
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The sack of Baghdad in 1258 by the Mongols was a devastating setback for the Islamic world and ended their golden age that we have heard about. They remained militarily powerful but never really regained their cultural ascendancy. Around the same time, a century or so earlier, the university emerged in Europe and helped Europe leapfrog Islam in learning and science.


9 posted on 12/01/2024 9:24:42 AM PST by nwrep
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No.

They moved into places that were already civilized and ran them into the ground.

10 posted on 12/01/2024 9:25:14 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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One time I looked at that question and noticed that when the slams conquered someone things would be advanced for 50 to 170 years and then slip into what we think of as the result of Islam, backwardness.

When I was younger I used to wonder what was wrong or weird about Eastern Europe when compared to Western Europe and then noticed that the weird countries had for varying lengths of time been occupied by Islam.

Early Islam strikes me as a sort of parasitic devouring force that at first could coexist with the conquered peoples and see advancements, but eventually the dulling and crippling death cult drained them of their life force, in time all Islamic nations take on a grey tinge of grubby death and decay.


11 posted on 12/01/2024 9:25:35 AM PST by ansel12 ((NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.))
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The Crusades and then later the Spanish inquisition along with a few other Inquisitions.

We may need more


12 posted on 12/01/2024 9:26:55 AM PST by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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Exactly. And so many of their “scholars” were captives from other cultures.


13 posted on 12/01/2024 9:27:51 AM PST by Bigg Red (Trump will be sworn in under a shower of confetti made from the tattered remains of the Rat Party.)
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We toured empty Muslim temples in southern Spain in the mid-90s....they’re not empty any longer.


14 posted on 12/01/2024 9:29:07 AM PST by chiller (Davey Crockett said: "Be sure you're right. Then go ahead'. I'll go ahead.)
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This might explain a few things:

http://www.ninevehsoft.com/fiorina.htm


15 posted on 12/01/2024 9:29:20 AM PST by D_Idaho ("For we wrestle not against flesh and blood...")
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To: RandFan
What happened there? They were quite advanced at one stage weren't they?

It's called eating the seed corn.

16 posted on 12/01/2024 9:31:09 AM PST by fso301
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To: PGR88
and allowed those reservoirs of learning to exist,

Well no.

They destroyed the Library at Alexandra, the one at Sarouyeh and the Academy at Gondishapur.

17 posted on 12/01/2024 9:31:37 AM PST by Harmless Teddy Bear ( Not my circus. Not my monkeys. But I can pick out the clowns at 100 yards.)
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To: RandFan

The Muslim’s conquered Christian lands
The grand Churches were changed over to not Christian Churches


18 posted on 12/01/2024 9:31:44 AM PST by Steven Tyler
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Point of order: Muslims did not build the Hagia Sophia nor did they found Istanbul. That was the name-change to Constantinople. And that city had history stretching back a thousand years before the Muslims finally took it.


19 posted on 12/01/2024 9:33:46 AM PST by BradyLS (DO NOT FEED THE BEARS!)
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To: wildcard_redneck

Islam always spreads from the blade of a sword, or the barrel of a gun. Nothing peaceful, productive, or joyous is ever the result of “accepting” it.


20 posted on 12/01/2024 9:36:00 AM PST by sgt_lau (Being tolerant to the most intolerant people on the planet is a losing proposition. Reject islam.)
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