Posted on 11/21/2024 4:44:29 AM PST by marcusmaximus
Vladimir Putin has allegedly unleashed intercontinental ballistic missiles (ICBM) on Ukraine – for the first time during the more than 1,000 days of his war – in a message to the West.
This morning’s attack from Russia’s southern Astrakhan region comes 24 hours after Ukraine deployed US and British missiles on targets inside Russia.
Footage circulating on Telegram channels shows the strike on the central-eastern city of Dnipro, starting at around 5am local time.
If confirmed, the hit would serve as a chilling reminder of Russia’s nuclear capability.
It was also just two days ago that Putin signed a revised nuclear doctrine that formally lowers Russia’s threshold for the use of nuclear weapons.
(Excerpt) Read more at metro.co.uk ...
Who is really desperate? The US and U.K. finally give approval to use long range missiles inside Russia. The missiles are guided by US/UK intelligence and software. Biden just authorized the use of land mines. All of this is done after Trump wins the election.
Russia is advancing across the entire front and is in the process of encircling the Ukrainians in Kursk. Ukraine is escalating the war, the real act of desperation.
It is not unreasonable to believe both sides are desperate.
War is a desperate enterprise.
Russia is winning and Ukraine is losing. Everyone knows the war will be over once Trump assumes office. It will be a negotiated, diplomatic solution. Both sides are jockeying for position.
Biden/Blinken are shoveling the money to Ukraine as fast as possible. They want the war to continue until they leave office and then blame Trump for losing Ukraine.
The US funds the entire government of Ukraine, including the military. We pay for their pensions. Once Trump assumes office, the gravy train ends.
In context, yes you're exactly right about Vlad's reason for it. Despite the casualties, Ukraine (US, NATO) have been holding Russia off and Vlad wants a way out of it. This is what he's now saying.
He wants to sue for peace, all he needs is a broker. NOT Biden, Blinken, whatshername, not Starmer or any of his crew either. He wants Trump to do it, or else he goes nuclear, and he has weapons that can reach anywhere.
Personally I think the Deep State still is determined to not see Trump take office. They have too much to lose, starting with... well, as long as we're on the subject, the war in Ukraine. Then Covid. Then run down the list.
yep, never would have occurred if Trump were President.
Yeah, spamusmaximus is only going to post this story another 12 times today, along with 6 articles about The Putin's newest bout of stage 5 elbow cancer, and a bunch of "doink" one-liner trolls over all of the articles.
Putin wants to sue for peace? Do you think he will cede Crimea or the territory in the Donbas?
Putin has the leverage. Zelensky will have to make concessions. And Ukraine will not be a member of NATO for the foreseeable future. Trump should call for elections in Ukraine. Zelensky will be removed.
Every uke I have talked to up here wants to do more than just vote that gay boy out.
The US will offer him safe passage so he can bring his billions to America.
That’s what it looks like in at least a segment or two of the video.
At least one sequence shows 5 ‘somethings’ hitting (or leaving as you say) one area. The problem that I have with your ‘launches’ is that the segment shows 5 simultaneous missiles MERGING TO A SINGLE MISSILE. I don’t think the video is reversed. That particular sequence was a MIRV-like separation before impact, IMO.
A signal that ‘our ICBMs still work’? (without the nukes)
Putin was sending a message as follows:
“This is how we deliver nukes but this one was not a nuke.”
Or it was a video of some other munition at some other time and place.
At least the missiles work. The Russians used to have liquid fueled ICBM’s. It’s too dangerous to keep them fueled all the time. The mobile ones cannot be erected (pointed skyward) when fueled. Fueling takes time.
We know from monitoring Russian ballistic missile tests that their submarine launched and land based missiles work very well. Clean separation, landing in their intended test ranges. Some question the reliability of their nuclear rounds.
What I find surprising is that even have conventional warheads for ICBMs. The U.S. only has nuclear warheads for ICBMs, and the same is true for France and Britain.
Your very likely correct. I was looking on a tiny phone screen before I had my coffee. I saw impacts when looking on my computer screen later (after coffee). I stand corrected.
That depends on your definitions of "winning" and "losing".
You may remember the Battle of Asculum in 279 BC -- it was a Greek victory over the Romans, but at a cost so high to the Greeks, their commander, named Pyrrhus remarked afterward: "Another such victory and we are undone."
Hence the name, "Pyrrhic Victory".
By my definitions, Vlad the Invader lost his war on Ukraine in March of 2022 and ever since has only been trying to run up his own Russian body counts high enough to make the war worthy of an ignoble defeat.
Russians have regained nothing of significance since their decisive defeats in 2022.
Now, in 2024, Russians have nearly doubled their average daily losses in both men and materials -- from circa 800 per day in January-February to over 1,500 per day in October-November.
And for almost no gains in territory.
kabar: "Everyone knows the war will be over once Trump assumes office.
It will be a negotiated, diplomatic solution.
Both sides are jockeying for position."
That may or may not be true.
Nobody today even knows what negotiations will take place or how they will turn out.
I fear they will not prove as quick and easy as Pres. Trump hopes for.
kabar: "Biden/Blinken are shoveling the money to Ukraine as fast as possible.
They want the war to continue until they leave office and then blame Trump for losing Ukraine."
So, first of all, as recently as October, Ukraine's Pres. Zelensky said the US had only delivered 10% of the aid passed by Congress in April 2024.
Since then, the Biden administration has tried to speed up deliveries, knowing that Pres. Trump might well stop future deliveries on January 20.
All of US aid should have been long since delivered, as required by the law passed in April.
As for blame -- for certain, Democrats will always blame Republicans for whatever they can -- if the glass is half full, Democrats will blame Republicans for letting it get half empty.
If the glass is only half empty, Democrats will blame Republicans for not giving more water to Democrats.
So, Democrats' blame is a given, no matter what.
kabar: "The US funds the entire government of Ukraine, including the military.
We pay for their pensions.
Once Trump assumes office, the gravy train ends."
Most of that is pure nonsense.
In fact, funding for Ukraine's war comes from roughly as follows:
It would not be ideal for Ukraine, but it would also not be the end of Ukrainian resistance either.
;^)
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