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Is It Ever OK To End a Sentence With a Preposition?
Word Smarts ^ | 11/18/2024 | Rachel Gresh

Posted on 11/18/2024 8:47:25 AM PST by SeekAndFind

Star Wars fans might recall Obi-Wan’s Jedi mind trick in A New Hope when he tells stormtroopers, “These aren’t the droids you’re looking for.” Were Star Wars writers wrong about the placement of the preposition “for”? Should Obi-Wan instead have said, “These aren’t the droids for which you’re looking”? The latter sounds unnatural (and much more Yoda-esque, to be honest). Situations like these have caused grammar reformers to question or outright rebel against this “rule” about not ending sentences with prepositions.

Prepositions explain one noun’s relation to another, often indicating where or when. They can tell you if a cat is above, below, beside, or under the bed, and they also indicate if the cat hid there before, during, or after dinner. Some argue against ending a sentence with a preposition because it indicates a relationship between two words. They reason that a sentence might seem unfinished if a second noun isn’t included after the preposition. However, ending a sentence with a preposition isn’t the grave grammar mistake that some make it out to be.

Consider this sentence: “The vase was on the table until the cat knocked it off.” Ending with the preposition “off” sounds natural. By the same token, “That’s what I’m talking about” sounds better than “That’s about which I’m talking,” and the structure of “I have no eggs to bake with” is more common than “I have no eggs with which to bake.” As you can see, context and structure matter. 

However, just because it isn’t wrong doesn’t mean it’s always right. Sometimes, that ending preposition is redundant. Asking a friend, “Where are you at?” or “Where are you going to?” falls into this trap with unnecessary prepositions. “Where are you?” and “Where are you going?” are complete questions. To avoid this mistake, try removing the end preposition and see if the sentence still makes sense. 

To give some context, the argument for the rule dates back to the 17th century. Grammarians tried to instill Latin preposition placement rules into English, resulting in some believing these were hard-and-fast English rules. In modern English, preposition placement comes down to writing style — there’s no need to adhere to an arbitrary centuries-old rule. Today, most grammar guides and syntax experts agree that ending a sentence with a preposition is OK if it sounds natural and doesn’t break any true grammar rules.


TOPICS: Education; History; Reference
KEYWORDS: grammar; no; preposition; sentence; splitinfinitive; yes
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To: TexasGator
Grammar test: Who did you say to were taking with.

With whom were you talking?

61 posted on 11/18/2024 9:38:37 AM PST by Labyrinthos
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To: Responsibility2nd

62 posted on 11/18/2024 9:38:42 AM PST by Magnum44 (...against all enemies, foreign and domestic... )
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To: TheThirdRuffian; TBP
What did you bring that book I did not want to be read to out of up for?

The book might be about the Australian "Outback." And it could be normally kept upstairs.

So another sentence could read:

"What did you bring that book down about the outback up for?"

I think that that might be close to the "classic example" about preposition placement usually cited.

Regards,

63 posted on 11/18/2024 9:40:32 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Yes, you posted that sentence using correct grammar but in today’s English writing, it sounds awkward.

Young people are so illiterate, they post things like “ur” for the words “you are.” You also see “ty” for “thank you.”

FU is self-explanatory as is STFU.

NSFW is a very common term used in today’s communication.

LOL is now universal.

ROFLMAO is a more descriptive word picture.

FAFO is a newer shorthand term.

BOGO has been around quite awhile.

TEOTWAWKI is also common.


64 posted on 11/18/2024 9:40:53 AM PST by Gnome1949
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To: Worldtraveler once upon a time
Only when it's been unburdened by what has been before....

In this case, "before" is functioning as an adverb, not as a preposition.

Regards,

65 posted on 11/18/2024 9:42:19 AM PST by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SeekAndFind

It was a movie a long time ago in a galaxy a long long away, so they probably didn’t even speak English. And to to author of this article, it’s just a movie.


66 posted on 11/18/2024 9:45:36 AM PST by Ben Dover (Terrorism is a cancer that can only be cured with massive doses of radiation.)
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To: Ben Dover

Make that far, far away. Sheese.


67 posted on 11/18/2024 9:46:42 AM PST by Ben Dover (Terrorism is a cancer that can only be cured with massive doses of radiation.)
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To: SeekAndFind

To not split infinitives is also important.


68 posted on 11/18/2024 9:50:12 AM PST by Billthedrill
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To: SeekAndFind

Since the whole conversation occurred in a galaxy far far away, Obi Wan Kenobi can end his sentence with a preposition.


69 posted on 11/18/2024 9:52:33 AM PST by Redcitizen
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To: SeekAndFind
context and structure matter.

Here is the new context and structure.

  “The vase was on the table until the cat knocked it off fleeing from the Haitian handyman.”

“I have no eggs to bake with due to inflation.”

“Where are you at? The FBI is raiding your house!

-PJ

70 posted on 11/18/2024 9:52:50 AM PST by Political Junkie Too ( * LAAP = Left-wing Activist Agitprop Press (formerly known as the MSM))
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To: Puppage

Oh, I hate that, too! Many in the MSM, and many pols, say that, too. “Where’re you at?” Arrrgh.


71 posted on 11/18/2024 10:03:34 AM PST by MayflowerMadam (🎶 They're eating the dogs. They're eating the cats. 🎶)
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To: SeekAndFind

This doesn’t bother me as much as the myriad other ways our English language is being murdered.


72 posted on 11/18/2024 10:11:24 AM PST by TangoLimaSierra (⭐⭐To the Left, The Truth is Right Wing Violence⭐⭐)
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To: dfwgator

wrecked ‘im, damn near killed him.


73 posted on 11/18/2024 10:14:39 AM PST by teeman8r (Armageddon won't be pretty, but it's not like it's the end of the world or something )
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To: SeekAndFind

Or like we say in the south “where ya’ll at?” “ where ya’ll going?” 😉


74 posted on 11/18/2024 10:18:33 AM PST by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: SeekAndFind

the structure of “I have no eggs to bake with” is more common than “I have no eggs with which to bake.”

Common doesn’t make it correct.

Thats said, “Where is the beer?” is ok...”Where da beer at?” is mo betta.


75 posted on 11/18/2024 10:21:50 AM PST by Adder (End fascism...defeat all Democrats.)
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To: Uncle Miltie

Everyone ends sentences with “at” now. It’s incorrect English, drives me crazy. Supposedly educated talking heads all say it, people that should know better.


76 posted on 11/18/2024 10:30:56 AM PST by dandiegirl (BOBBY m)
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To: dandiegirl

Hey man, that’s just where I’m at.


77 posted on 11/18/2024 10:32:37 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast
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To: SeekAndFind

Not that I know of.


78 posted on 11/18/2024 10:34:35 AM PST by murron
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To: SeekAndFind

Yes. The fact is most sentences when you try to avoid it just sound goofy.


79 posted on 11/18/2024 10:36:04 AM PST by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: Scott from the Left Coast

grrrr....:)


80 posted on 11/18/2024 10:37:08 AM PST by dandiegirl (BOBBY m)
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