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A Century-Old Chemistry Rule Has Been Shown To Be Wrong....The discovery could lead to making useful organic molecules that have been treated as impossible.
IFL Science ^ | November 01, 2024 | Stephen Luntz

Posted on 11/01/2024 8:03:59 AM PDT by Red Badger

A way to link carbon rings thought impossible for a century has now been done, and could have medical applications.

For exactly 100 years, chemists have considered double bonds impossible – or nearly so – in organic chemistry under specific circumstances. Known as Bredt’s rule, this axiom was based not on theory, but decades of previous observations of molecules where such bonds were lacking. Confidence was high enough that it has widely been published in textbooks. New research shows it’s not true, and will encourage chemists to look for molecules they previously thought couldn’t exist.

Carbon is such an immensely versatile element that the vast majority of molecules we know of contain it. Since we ourselves are composed primarily of molecules built around a carbon structure, the study of what is and isn’t possible with carbon, i.e. organic chemistry, is particularly crucial for us.

Key to carbon’s molecule-making flexibility is that it forms four bonds, which can involve single, double, or triple bonds with other carbon molecules. However, Julius Bredt claimed to find a limitation on that capacity. Where a molecule contains two rings of carbon atoms, joined together by a bridge, Bredt claimed the bridgehead cannot involve a double bond. Now UCLA chemists have shown that it can.

Although Bredt reached this conclusion based on noticing an absence of such double bonds in relevant molecules, an explanation subsequently arose that double bonds in these circumstances would twist the molecule out of a plane. Since then, the rule has been modified twice. Double bonds between larger ring systems are now accepted as existing. Moreover, other chemists have claimed to make such molecules with smaller rings, but found them unstable, so the rule is now taken as precluding lasting molecules with smaller ring systems. In this form the rule is recognized by the International Union of Pure and Applied Chemistry.

However, Professor Neil Garg heads a team that has found molecules that violate the rule. These “anti-Bredt olefins” (ABOs) could be just the tip of the iceberg, since several kinds have been identified already.

The ABOs were made by applying fluoride to molecules whose names sound like they come from a sketch mocking chemists: silyl (pseudo)halides. The ABOs produced were initially unstable, showing the rule was not entirely wrong, but the team then used a variety of agents to trap them enough to analyze and potentially use. Maybe the pseudohalides are not so silyl after all.

Among scientists, as with other people, there are always those who most want to do the thing they are told is impossible. However, far more have accepted Bredt’s rule, at least in modified form, and not looked back.

“People aren’t exploring anti-Bredt olefins because they think they can’t,” Garg said in a statement. They haven’t been ignoring ABOs because they thought they would be useless, however.

“There’s a big push in the pharmaceutical industry to develop chemical reactions that give three-dimensional structures like ours because they can be used to discover new medicines,” Garg said. “What this study shows is that contrary to one hundred years of conventional wisdom, chemists can make and use anti-Bredt olefins to make value-added products.”

Discoveries like this raise questions about how often textbooks are wrong in other ways. Garg sees the problem as treating observational rules as if they were fundamental laws. “We shouldn’t have rules like this – or if we have them, they should only exist with the constant reminder that they’re guidelines, not rules. It destroys creativity when we have rules that supposedly can’t be overcome.”

The study is published in Science.

http://dx.doi.org/10.1126/science.adq3519


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Education; History; Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: bonds; bredtsrule; c; c6; carbon; chemistry; healthlinks; rings
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1 posted on 11/01/2024 8:03:59 AM PDT by Red Badger
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To: MtnClimber; SunkenCiv; mowowie; SuperLuminal; Cottonbay; 04-Bravo; 1FASTGLOCK45; 1stFreedom; ...

FYI Ping!...............


2 posted on 11/01/2024 8:05:25 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

But the science is settled!


3 posted on 11/01/2024 8:08:50 AM PDT by maro (MAGA!)
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To: Red Badger

FR blinded me with science


4 posted on 11/01/2024 8:10:31 AM PDT by George from New England (escaped CT back in 2006ttsee)
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To: George from New England

Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto, you’re beautiful!


5 posted on 11/01/2024 8:11:46 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger
Want to make a mathematician laugh? Offer him a "proof by example".

This "Bredt Rule" appears to have been essentially a "proof by example". For non-mathematicians out there: Proof by example looks sort of like this: "Every example of 'X' I can find has 'Y' characteristic, therefore all 'X' has 'Y' characteristic". It's not a proof at all; it's sort of an example of "incredulity" as a logical fallacy.

6 posted on 11/01/2024 8:15:03 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: maro
But the science is settled! said no scientist ever.
7 posted on 11/01/2024 8:15:43 AM PDT by NorthMountain (... the right of the people to keep and bear arms shall not be infringed)
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To: maro

> But the science is settled! <

Ha, good comment. The history of science is filled with examples of “laws” that were later shown to be wrong. And they were shown to be wrong via experimentation and vigorous debate.

But we are not allowed to debate Climate Change. And don’t you dare publish a study contradicting Mr. Gore’s “settled science”. It is disgraceful that so many scientists are on board with that. I guess their government grants take precedence over their ethics.


8 posted on 11/01/2024 8:20:47 AM PDT by Leaning Right (The steal is real.)
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To: Red Badger

If elected, I promise to rid the atmosphere of all double carbon dioxide.


9 posted on 11/01/2024 8:22:05 AM PDT by DannyTN
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To: NorthMountain

The Argument from Ignorance, also known as Appeal to Ignorance, is a logical fallacy where evidence does not support the theory. It occurs when someone asserts that a proposition is true or false solely because it has not been proven false or true, respectively...............


10 posted on 11/01/2024 8:25:07 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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11 posted on 11/01/2024 8:35:14 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: NorthMountain
But the science is settled! said no scientist ever.

Really? Ask any Covid scientist and they will say it is settled. Ask any evolutionist and they will say it is settled. Ask any surgeon who profits off transgender surgeriesand guess what they will say?
12 posted on 11/01/2024 8:47:16 AM PDT by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: Leaning Right
I guess their government grants take precedence over their ethics.

Man oh maneshcevitz. How true that is. Following the money will show up so many "truths" we have benn told for, forever.
13 posted on 11/01/2024 8:48:43 AM PDT by wbarmy (Trying to do better.)
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To: dfwgator

Dolby later said that he wrote the line “Good heavens, Miss Sakamoto” because he wanted a Japanese woman to appear in the video. He was quoted as saying. “I was boldly ahead of the times in fetishizing Asian women.” The name is a reference to Ryuichi Sakamoto’s wife Akiko Yano, who was in the studio at the time; she had previously sung backing on Dolby’s 1982 single “Radio Silence”, and he would collaborate with Sakamoto on the single Field Work a couple of years later.


14 posted on 11/01/2024 8:53:04 AM PDT by Robert DeLong
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15 posted on 11/01/2024 8:56:40 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: Red Badger

Double carbon? Great. Now we’re going to have double global warming.


16 posted on 11/01/2024 8:57:23 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: dfwgator

I am leaning toward “not guilty.”


17 posted on 11/01/2024 8:59:25 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: All

trump’s fault


18 posted on 11/01/2024 8:59:40 AM PDT by SteveH
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To: dfwgator

I’m still pissed off at her. She blinded me!


19 posted on 11/01/2024 9:01:01 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Trump/Vance 2024 or GFY)
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To: Red Badger

But it’s carbon, carbon needs to be banned or we will have hurricanes.


20 posted on 11/01/2024 9:02:35 AM PDT by GrandJediMasterYoda (As long as Hillary Clinton remains free, the USA will never have equal justice under the law)
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