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Octopuses work together with fish to hunt—and the way they share decisions is surprisingly complex
Phys.Org ^ | September 30, 2024 | Culum Brown

Posted on 09/29/2024 7:54:38 PM PDT by Red Badger

A new study published in Nature Ecology & Evolution lifts the veil on what happens when octopuses and fish hunt together. As it turns out, this cross-species relationship is more complex than anyone expected.

Animals of the same species often cooperate—work together to reach some kind of goal. But it's relatively rare to find cooperation between individuals from different species.

A classic example you'll be familiar with is the close relationship between dogs and humans, whether in the context of herding sheep or hunting. In these situations, the dog and the human work together to achieve a goal.

That's mammals. But underwater species also sometimes cooperate. A nice example is the joint hunting behavior of moray eels and grouper. The grouper approaches the moray and signals that it wishes to hunt. The eel responds in kind, and off they go.

During these hunting forays, the grouper uses signals to indicate where prey may be hidden in the coral matrix. It's a synergy made in heaven: the eel can scare the prey fish from hiding places among the coral, while the grouper patrols over the top. There is literally no place for prey to hide.

For the eels and grouper, the chances of catching their dinner are greatly improved when hunting together compared to hunting on their own.

Who's in charge here?

While researchers have described these behaviors before, one question remains unanswered. Who, exactly, is in charge of these cross-species interactions?

Who decides what they are going to do, where and when? Are the different players "democratic," in that they come to some form of compromise, or does one species take the lead and the other simply follows (that is, they are "despotic")?

In an international collaboration, biologist Eduardo Sampaio and colleagues have investigated cross-species interactions between the usually solitary day octopus (Octopus cyanea) and several fish species, such as goatfish and groupers.

The fish and the octopus share a common goal—to increase their hunting efficiency. The traditional view of octopus-fish hunting groups assumed that the octopus is the producer, and the fish simply follow along and opportunistically pick up the scraps.

With its long, flexible arms, the octopus explores all the nooks and crannies of the hunting ground, flushing out prey the fish can then take advantage of. In this scenario, the octopus would be solely in charge of decisions and the fish just follow (that is, it's an exploitative, despotic relationship).

However, when researchers took a closer look, it appeared perhaps this relationship is not as simplistic as previously believed. But without fine-scale analysis providing hard evidence, it is difficult to work out the precise details of how this cooperation works.

What did the new study find?

Using sophisticated behavioral analyses of 3D videos captured from 120 hours of diving, Sampaio and team found that each partner in the interaction plays a specific role. There was, in fact, no true leader—they are democratic.

The fish were responsible for exploring the environment and deciding where to move, while the octopus would decide if and when to move. Interestingly, controlled experiments showed the octopuses were guided by social information provided by the fishes.

When partnered with blue goatfish, the octopus foraging tactics where more focused and efficient. When partnered with blacktip groupers, they were less so. So, the nature of the hunting relationship varied depending on who's involved.

The researchers concluded that, overall, success rates for capturing prey were higher for the octopus when foraging with fishy partners.

The details revealed by this study suggest this relationship is far more sophisticated than other cross-species hunting associations examined to date.

Despite the huge evolutionary gap between these animals (the equivalent of about 550 million years), both fish and octopus show clear signs of social competence and advanced cognition.

More information:

Eduardo Sampaio et al, Multidimensional social influence drives leadership and composition-dependent success in octopus–fish hunting groups, Nature Ecology & Evolution (2024).

DOI: 10.1038/s41559-024-02525-2

Journal information: Nature Ecology & Evolution

Provided by The Conversation


TOPICS: Outdoors; Pets/Animals; Weird Stuff
KEYWORDS: cephalopod; cephalopoda; cooperation; eels; fish; goatfish; grouper; hunting; idlike2beunderthesea; inanoctopusgarden; intelligence; mollusca; mollusk; moreyeels; ocean; octopus; wildlife
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1 posted on 09/29/2024 7:54:38 PM PDT by Red Badger
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To: Red Badger
Amazing. I was just reading about Octopuses on Quora.com, and saw an image I wanted to share on FR, so i switched over to here, hit F5, and the newest post was yours. So here it is: Another trick they have is the ability to squeeze their body through extremely tight spaces. An Octopus multiple feet in length, could easily fit through an inch sized hole. If that's not unbelievable; then I don't know what is.

- https://www.quora.com/What-animal-do-you-think-is-the-most-unbelievable/answer/The-God-Butcher-1
2 posted on 09/29/2024 7:58:10 PM PDT by daniel1212 (Turn 2 the Lord Jesus who saves damned+destitute sinners on His acct, believe, b baptized+follow HIM)
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To: Red Badger

it’s not octopi?


3 posted on 09/29/2024 7:58:48 PM PDT by changeitback440
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To: Red Badger

In the latest Pew pole, 8 out of 10 octopi said they were NOT voting for Commiela.

Which makes them smarter than half the human population.


4 posted on 09/29/2024 8:02:03 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: daniel1212

Octopuses are extremely intelligent................


5 posted on 09/29/2024 8:04:21 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: changeitback440

https://www.merriam-webster.com/grammar/the-many-plurals-of-octopus-octopi-octopuses-octopodes


6 posted on 09/29/2024 8:05:13 PM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Amazing...but I’ve long felt our animal friends are much smarter than most give them credit for.


7 posted on 09/29/2024 8:06:45 PM PDT by griffin (When you have to shoot, SHOOT; don't talk. -Tuco)
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To: Red Badger
This type of behavior can been seen with cows and birds.

Some birds follow cows as they graze and eat the insects the cows stir up as they move through the grasses.

They cows do not know or care they are assisting birds to feed.

8 posted on 09/29/2024 8:14:59 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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9 posted on 09/29/2024 8:28:02 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: changeitback440

“it’s not octopi?”

Only if we change it back.


10 posted on 09/29/2024 8:29:28 PM PDT by TexasGator (l . . l / l / . l l . l).1 1 l l l l l " / . l l ( .)
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To: Deaf Smith
The most symbiotic relationships are where each species cannot live without the other. They fully depend on each other.

Probably the most well-know of these is Yucca Plant and Yucca Moth (Tegeticula sp.). One of the most extraordinary partnerships between an insect and the plant that it pollinates is that of the yucca and the yucca moth. They are so interdependent that one cannot live without the other. Actually, there are a number of species of yucca, each with its corresponding partner, a species of Tegeticula or Parategeticula moth. This mutually beneficial relationship probably started as a relationship of exploitation with the moth feeding on the yucca. This is still the case with a number of close relatives of Tegeticula, members of the Prodoxidae family.

11 posted on 09/29/2024 8:30:18 PM PDT by ProtectOurFreedom (May the soy boys, feminazis, and alphabet weirdos choke on the toxic fumes of our masculinity)
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To: Deaf Smith

I’ve had owls follow me on deer trails, at night. I’m sure they follow deer, and other animals, too. Had a Short-Eared Owl follow my dog, years ago. Flew about 4 feet above him, and a few feet behind. Nemo never knew he was there.


12 posted on 09/29/2024 8:31:04 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

Could be a suicide pact. Most commensal relationships have an out.


13 posted on 09/29/2024 8:34:40 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: daniel1212
"...Another trick they have is the ability to squeeze their body through extremely tight spaces..."

They're invertebrates, have no bones. The only part of an octopus's body that's rigid is its beak. It can squeeze through any hole large enough for its beak to pass through.

14 posted on 09/29/2024 8:37:38 PM PDT by Paal Gulli
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To: changeitback440

8 π


15 posted on 09/29/2024 8:37:59 PM PDT by gundog (It was a bright cold day in April, and the clocks were striking thirteen. )
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To: Red Badger

Badgers and coyotes sometimes hunt together. The badgers flush out prey from underground and the coyotes make the kill.


16 posted on 09/29/2024 8:49:28 PM PDT by Catholic and Conservative
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To: changeitback440; Red Badger; null and void

I remember Octopi Wall Street


17 posted on 09/29/2024 8:53:26 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Red Badger; null and void
[Octopuses work together with fish to hunt]

Well, I got news for you guys. I have been studying things closely and I have determined that the man and the dog ARE DEFINITELY working together!!!


18 posted on 09/29/2024 8:55:56 PM PDT by SaveFerris (Luke 17:28 ... as it was in the Days of Lot; They did Eat, They Drank, They Bought, They Sold ......)
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To: Red Badger

Just like dolphins 🐬 and primates.


19 posted on 09/29/2024 9:00:27 PM PDT by No name given ( Anonymous is who you’ll know me as)
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To: SaveFerris

😂


20 posted on 09/29/2024 9:05:04 PM PDT by Right Brother
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