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Opinion: Former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster adds to UFO speculation
The Hill/MSN.com ^ | marik von rennenkampff

Posted on 09/13/2024 7:53:34 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Former National Security Advisor and retired Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster became the latest official to make eyebrow-raising comments about UFOs, now formally rebranded as “unidentified anomalous phenomena” or UAP.

Asked about UAP during a Sept. 6 appearance on “Real Time with Bill Maher,” McMaster stated that “there are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by any kind of science available to us.”

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Over a decade after they were first formally reported, naval aviators’ daily observations of UAP exhibiting amazing flight characteristics off the East Coast remain officially unexplained.

John Ratcliffe, director of national intelligence under former President Trump, injected fascinating context into recent military encounters with the UFO phenomenon. In a 2021 interview, Ratcliffe stated that UAP “have been picked up by satellite imagery [and] frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.”

U.S. intelligence analysts, Ratcliffe continued, have “high confidence” that foreign adversaries such as China or Russia were not behind one of the most extraordinary, best-documented UAP incidents.

Alarmingly, Ratcliffe stated that UAP exhibit “technologies that we don’t have and, frankly, that we are not capable of defending against.”

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; UFO's
KEYWORDS: billmaher; fringe; hrmcmaster; johnratcliffe; marikvonrennenkampff; ohsomysteriouso; thehill; theshill; uap; ufo; ufos
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To: vrwc1
"...how could aliens from possibly multiple other planets know about Him or be saved? This leads to the conclusion that there are no aliens."

Or, perhaps, the Adams and Eves on other planets may have chosen to actually obey God and resist the temptation in the garden, thus precluding their need for a Savior.

81 posted on 09/13/2024 6:24:40 PM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: who_would_fardels_bear
God lives in Eternity outside of time. Jesus could have died simultaneously hundreds of billions of times in many forms.

Jesus has a glorified physical body in eternity. That body bears the scars of his crucifixion on earth as seen and reported by his disciples. That precludes him dying "simultaneously hundreds of billions of times in many different forms."

82 posted on 09/13/2024 10:42:48 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: Joe 6-pack
Or, perhaps, the Adams and Eves on other planets may have chosen to actually obey God and resist the temptation in the garden, thus precluding their need for a Savior.

All of them? So our Adam and Eve are the only ones that messed up and therefore needed a savior? I'm not buying that.

Romans 3:10 As the scriptures say, "No one is righteous – not even one."

83 posted on 09/13/2024 10:49:16 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: eastforker
Sometimes I wonder if God is just a lieutenant in the big scheme of things and the MILKY WAY IS JUST HIS SECTOR.As in any organization, every body has a boss and the Big Boss is overlooking the entire universe. ... If there are Gods that can create, maybe there are multitudes of them, certainly, the universe is so vast, maybe it takes a village of Gods to run it.

1 Timothy 2:5 There is one God and one Mediator who can reconcile God and humanity – the man Christ Jesus.

84 posted on 09/13/2024 10:52:29 PM PDT by vrwc1
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To: vrwc1

Not necessarily, hypothetically, just suppose one.


85 posted on 09/14/2024 1:00:31 AM PDT by Joe 6-pack
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To: RoosterRedux

On related topic—I mentioned Matthew Pines in an earlier thread a few days ago.

Here is a new interview—three hours:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YN2Le9dp_Ww

There is lots of brilliance here—and the last half hour discusses many deep issues of philosophy.

That said—on the UFO topic many folks are convinced that Pines has inside information.

In this interview he claims that there is a plan for major disclosure in the next twelve months—and it sounds like that will be the case regardless of who is in the White House.

He argues that driving that is a fear of “catastrophic disclosure” of some kind—and that the intelligence analysts have concluded it is coming soon and they want to get ahead of it.

It sounds like they are convinced there will be an “event”—where history becomes broken down into “before” and “after”. An example of that would be 9/11. Another example would be the JFK assassination.

The topic dominates the news cycles at the moment and then is a topic of discussion for all academic disciplines for years to come....

The reason for controlled disclosure in Pines view is not to prevent catastrophic disclosure—he argues that is impossible—but rather to mitigate the negative effects.

If a Presidential commission (part of the proposed NDAA that failed last year) is created it would be their job to figure out what needed to stay classified and what could be released to the public—and they could decide the order of the releases and try to generate an orderly disclosure.

If they could establish trust with whistleblowers it could work reasonably well.

But—the “Imminent” (as in the title of Lou’s book) issue is that time is not on their side.

As usual government is slow to react and events are moving away from them.

Matthew Pines specifically mentioned the Langley AFB December 2023 “incident” discussed here (with video):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QjVJLO6CK2I

The Air Force was apparently unable to shoot any of these down.

The “drone” explanation is a joke—these are true UAPs with classic UAP flight characteristics—wacky “flight” characteristics.


86 posted on 09/14/2024 5:46:52 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
Thx. I will start watching today.

There's a lot of talk that the DOD is freaked-out about whistleblower-driven, piecemeal UFO disclosures spiraling beyond their control.

Some within the DOD believe they must act swiftly to regain control of the narrative (by starting their own disclosure). However, it may already be too late for them to get ahead of the situation.

I'll bet the Air Force is still not on-board with this DOD disclosure plan.;-)

87 posted on 09/14/2024 6:19:34 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

This video has some short Matthew Pines clips if you want a quick intro:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JVmT65_iJfo


88 posted on 09/14/2024 6:22:11 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg

Thx. I’ll start there.


89 posted on 09/14/2024 6:23:30 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Agreed on the Air Force—they will be dragged along kicking and screaming—if at all.

What they dread most imho is some future US President saying:

“You have failed the American people. You have had eighty years to rid our skies of these visitors. You have failed. I am firing all of you publicly today.”


90 posted on 09/14/2024 6:26:09 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg

Yep. Fire the Generals and their minions, shut down the Academy...and move remaining flight operations and assets to the Army, Navy, and Space Force.


91 posted on 09/14/2024 7:07:41 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

One more quick video for you—focuses on Stratton’s upcoming new book—explains who Stratton is and why he is very important:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QzdrXgwRAck


92 posted on 09/14/2024 7:23:45 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg

Yep. Very familiar with Stratton.


93 posted on 09/14/2024 7:40:42 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

The lizards are still here but they’ve shrunk.

They’re Geicos.


94 posted on 09/14/2024 7:44:21 AM PDT by ABStrauss (I miss Rush!)
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To: eastforker

So. The bible is a storybook?


95 posted on 09/14/2024 7:45:17 AM PDT by ABStrauss (I miss Rush!)
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To: RoosterRedux

As you know I am convinced the Secret Space Program is real in some form.

What fascinates me is the relationship between “the program” that is being disclosed by whistleblowers and the secret space program.

There is a “missing link” somewhere that is being missed by most analysts so far.

Dolan gets it—so hopefully he can piece together the puzzle.

Does Stratton know about the Secret Space Program?

I don’t know the answer to that question.


96 posted on 09/14/2024 7:46:50 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: ABStrauss

Sure, by many different authors, some known and like the first few books, totally unknown.


97 posted on 09/14/2024 8:07:55 AM PDT by eastforker (All in, I'm all Trump,what you got!)
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To: RoosterRedux

One hypothesis on all of this is discussed in this brief video:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZgViNRtQJtQ

The argument is that the “whistleblowers” are all intelligence operatives on a mission to “disclose” in an effort to mislead.

If that is valid—and of course we don’t really know either way—we could be looking at a “limited hang out” whose real purpose is to hide the crown jewels—the Secret Space Program.

They would not need to be briefed on that program to do their mission.

Congress could be handed the keys to the craft recovery and alien bodies “program” while being kept far away from “the crown jewels”.

The feared “catastrophic disclosure” could be the Secret Space Program and the Breakaway Civilization.

That would rock everybody’s world—and it would truly be a “before disclosure” and “after disclosure” historical moment.

Imagine if the Breakaway Civilization folks hacked into all major media and announced themselves—a press conference of humans and various aliens together....


98 posted on 09/14/2024 8:20:02 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
All good points.

As I used to say to people I worked with, you can trust people unless there's money, sex, romance, drugs, alcohol, gambling, or national security involved. In those cases, all bets are off until you do some very careful due diligence.

99 posted on 09/14/2024 8:57:40 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: cgbg
The argument is that the “whistleblowers” are all intelligence operatives on a mission to “disclose” in an effort to mislead.

Even if the whistleblowers had good intentions, it doesn’t rule out the possibility that they were unwittingly fed false information by those with deceptive motives.

One of the most effective ways to promote a misleading narrative is to provide earnest and credible intelligence officers with distorted intel. Then, after they retire, subtly encourage them to 'blow the whistle,' amplifying the misinformation.

I’m not saying this is what happened—only that it’s a possibility worth considering."

100 posted on 09/14/2024 9:19:01 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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