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Opinion: Former National Security Advisor H.R. McMaster adds to UFO speculation
The Hill/MSN.com ^ | marik von rennenkampff

Posted on 09/13/2024 7:53:34 AM PDT by RoosterRedux

Former National Security Advisor and retired Army Lt. Gen. H.R. McMaster became the latest official to make eyebrow-raising comments about UFOs, now formally rebranded as “unidentified anomalous phenomena” or UAP.

Asked about UAP during a Sept. 6 appearance on “Real Time with Bill Maher,” McMaster stated that “there are phenomena that have been witnessed by multiple people that are just inexplicable by any kind of science available to us.”

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Over a decade after they were first formally reported, naval aviators’ daily observations of UAP exhibiting amazing flight characteristics off the East Coast remain officially unexplained.

John Ratcliffe, director of national intelligence under former President Trump, injected fascinating context into recent military encounters with the UFO phenomenon. In a 2021 interview, Ratcliffe stated that UAP “have been picked up by satellite imagery [and] frankly engage in actions that are difficult to explain, movements that are hard to replicate, that we don’t have the technology for.”

U.S. intelligence analysts, Ratcliffe continued, have “high confidence” that foreign adversaries such as China or Russia were not behind one of the most extraordinary, best-documented UAP incidents.

Alarmingly, Ratcliffe stated that UAP exhibit “technologies that we don’t have and, frankly, that we are not capable of defending against.”

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans; UFO's
KEYWORDS: billmaher; fringe; hrmcmaster; johnratcliffe; marikvonrennenkampff; ohsomysteriouso; thehill; theshill; uap; ufo; ufos
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To: RoosterRedux

I don’t think there is any false information involved in this case—I just think they only know part of the story.

Stratton may be the key—that is why I am trying to figure out if he knows anything about the Secret Space Program.

According to Secret Space Program lore the original MJ-12 and its successors did know about it.

Well known historical figures in key leadership positions specifically mentioned (again we are talking Secret Space Program here, not just “the project”) are Donald Rumsfeld and Bobby Ray Inman. Secret Space Program whistleblowers claim to have seen them in a LOB (lunar operations base where supposedly there is a major training facility which includes small grays, tall grays and reptilians).

Tom Montalk differentiates between the Deep State (which runs “the program”) and the Dark State (which is a Breakaway Civilization).


101 posted on 09/14/2024 2:41:45 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
I don’t think there is any false information involved in this case—I just think they only know part of the story.

I don't either. There's too much information from too many sources and it is very consistent for the most part.

That said, there's always that little voice in the back of my head that keeps reminding me that we're dealing with a lot of guys from the intelligence community.

102 posted on 09/14/2024 4:39:02 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

A friend of mine taught me an old analytical trick to figure out puzzles where you are evaluating complex information.

He argues that you need to focus on who is not talking instead of who is talking.

In this case, for example, we have had no whistleblowers from the Department of Energy. There would be key players there involved in researching new energy technology (”free energy” in the lore).

The lore suggests they have been running a “Murder inc.” to either recruit, intimidate or eliminate scientists who are on the path to invent exotic energy sources that would revolutionize the world economy.

Vallee has provided excellent documentation of their involvement in the Trinity crash of 1945—and Sheehan has argued that the Atomic Energy Act of 1946 is a critical part of the “legal” basis for the “program”.


103 posted on 09/15/2024 5:07:47 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
Yes. Good point. The DOE hasn't said a word...yet.

And of course the USAF has always been mum.;-)

But thank God for the Navy. Particularly Rear Adm. Tim Gallaudet (Ret.)

104 posted on 09/15/2024 5:17:26 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I found an interview where Lou talks about “the project” and how it relates to the Department of Energy.

To my knowledge this is the only time he has discussed this—starting at the six minute mark:

https://youtu.be/qLQbpSDumTM

“DOE has had a long interest in the UAP issue.”

Lu said the DOE has an active coverup operation.


105 posted on 09/15/2024 3:25:25 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: RoosterRedux

This is another interesting video—counter-intel guy Jim Doty discusses the Bennewitz case in the beginning of the video and then gives a very detailed discussion of The Aviary.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NmQOwaQEw-A

He makes the case they were a benevolent organization seeking controlled disclosure within .gov.

He claimed they were sanctioned by the .gov and were not a rogue operation.

He also claims they still exist.

I have no problem with his narrative—as far as it goes.


106 posted on 09/16/2024 9:42:36 AM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: cgbg
As I remember, the Aviary consisted of Hal Puthoff, John Alexander, Kit Green, Ron Pandolfi, Robert Collins, Richard Doty, and Bruce Maccabee.

I know little about Pandolfi or Collins, but the rest are still active, at least as individuals. I think Collins was an Air Force guy, but that's all I remember (AFOSI?).

I've never trusted Doty because of his presumed role in the death of Bennewitz.

107 posted on 09/16/2024 11:13:59 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Doty tells his side of the Bennewitz story on the video.

He argues that NSA and the FBI were also involved in the case—and he had no control over their activities.

He also discussed a “Men in Black” Air Force group that were out of his control as well.

He is convinced Bennewitz did find some real aliens and UFOs—and a bunch of .gov folks were after Bennewitz.


108 posted on 09/16/2024 12:19:54 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: RoosterRedux

One other tidbit I picked up from another video.

Apparently opponents of disclosure are not just the two key House Committee Chairs we have discussed in the past.

The current Defense Secretary is making the rounds of Congress right now trying to stop the Schumer amendment claiming it is a risk to national security.

The contractors own the clown.


109 posted on 09/16/2024 12:30:48 PM PDT by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: ABStrauss
The Bible doesn't mention higher mathematics, does it? Many Christian and Jewish mathematicians speak of it as the language of God.

What do you make of its omission?

110 posted on 09/17/2024 11:00:58 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

The structure of the universe is evidence of God and mathematics.


111 posted on 09/18/2024 6:14:52 AM PDT by ABStrauss (I miss Rush!)
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To: ABStrauss
True. But we know more about mathematics than we know about the universe.

My point is this. Just because the Bible doesn't specifically mention something doesn't mean that such a thing doesn't exist. The Bible doesn't mention mathematics, but everything in the material world can be quantified (even if we humans haven't yet discovered the mathematics to express it).

It is quite possible that we will come to see that even the spiritual world will be quantifiable...when we get there.

As an aside, many people of faith believe that what is behind these UFOs are beings that we know as demons and not aliens from distant planets and star systems.

There is (or was) a rather large contingent of general officers in the Pentagon who say they know what these beings are (i.e., demons) and we would be well advised to stay away from them.

112 posted on 09/18/2024 6:27:31 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: ABStrauss
The structure of the universe is evidence of God and mathematics.

Let me clarify my statement.

The structure of the universe can, we believe, be expressed mathematically (even though we don't know all that is in the universe nor have we discovered all the mathematics necessary to model what we know of it).

Take gravity for example.

Mathematically, gravity is well-understood through Newton’s equations for most everyday scenarios and Einstein’s equations for more extreme cases like black holes or the bending of light near stars. However, its underlying nature, especially at the quantum level, remains one of the biggest open questions in physics.

113 posted on 09/18/2024 6:49:43 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

I forgot.

What was the original point here?

I believe at first it was gravity and Newton. Then God was introduced as one who is the El supremo of mathematics. In fact, he is above all beings; the architect of this entire mess we call humanity.

Mathematics are merely man’s way of computing in an attempt to explain everything.... even those things that are impossible to comprehend: the ecclesiastical cognizance.


114 posted on 09/18/2024 7:02:29 AM PDT by ABStrauss (I miss Rush!)
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To: ABStrauss
Here's my original point.

Your statement, "The Holy Bible would have some mention of possibility of human-type life on other planets (implying beings on other planets and star systems don't exist), is illogical since there are many things that the Bible doesn't mention that we know exist. Like mathematics (and quantum physics more recently).

And this statement:

Mathematics are merely man’s way of computing in an attempt to explain everything
...is inaccurate. As many mathematician have concluded, mathematics pre-exists man and is something that men "discover."

Mathematics is the language of God (though he probably has an infinite array of other such languages).

115 posted on 09/18/2024 7:17:10 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: cgbg

SecDef Lloyd Austin is a DEI hire.


116 posted on 09/18/2024 8:04:45 AM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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To: RoosterRedux

Oh, well


117 posted on 09/18/2024 4:17:09 PM PDT by ABStrauss (I miss Rush!)
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To: ABStrauss
Thanks for the chat...and pardon me for being so overbearing.

Since the assassination attempt on Sunday I have been too out-of-sorts and argumentative to be good company for anyone.

I've been thinking of pulling a Biden and locking myself in the basement (w/o internet or TV) until the election is over.;-)

118 posted on 09/18/2024 4:51:05 PM PDT by RoosterRedux (Thinking objectively is difficult. And painful. That’s why many people just cling to their biases.)
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