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Opinion: Trump dangerously misunderstands how voters feel about abortion access
Los Angeles Times ^ | Aug. 19, 2024 11:08 AM PT | Jill Lawrence

Posted on 08/19/2024 12:01:58 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum

To say this year’s Republican presidential ticket does not know how to talk to or about women, or figure out what matters to them, would be the understatement of the century. And I sure hope they keep it up.

It’s all mind-boggling, from nominee Donald Trump’s racist, sexist ramblings about Vice President Kamala Harris to the, ah, unusual views of his running mate, Sen. JD Vance of Ohio, on parenthood. Now the hapless pair are digging in deeper as they try to cope with the post-Roe vs. Wade world — the one brought about by Trump’s Supreme Court appointees and celebrated by Vance.

There are two major obstacles in their path, and they are related. One is the shift of women — specifically white, college-educated, Republican women — away from Trump and the GOP. They’re turned off by their party’s “cultural extremism,” says Mike Madrid, a Sacramento-based never-Trump author, strategist and election data analyst.

The second obstacle is that Trump and Vance are in denial. “I think that abortion has become much less of an issue. I think it’s actually going to be a very small issue,” Trump said at his Mar-a-Lago news conference Aug. 8. “I think the abortion issue has been taken down many notches. I don’t think it’s a big factor anymore.”

Vance went the same route when Fox News host Laura Ingraham told him that according to a “dear friend” of hers, “all these suburban women, all they care about is abortion.” Vance replied: “I don’t buy that, Laura. I think most suburban women care about the normal things that most Americans care about. Right? They care about inflation. They care about the price of groceries. They care about...”

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TOPICS: Health/Medicine; Humor; Religion; Society
KEYWORDS: abortion; alarmistheadline; babykiller; babykillingextremist; fakenews; jilllawrence; latimes; latimessedition; prolife; tds
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Abortion is the big weapon that the democrats think will win a big victory in ‘Roevember.’

In would be a non issue if males without a college education would fill out a damn ballot....but they don’t.

So the female pandering in politics will continue.


41 posted on 08/19/2024 1:32:37 PM PDT by unclebankster (Globalism is the last refuge of a scoundrel.)
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To: Fledermaus

I think every single pro-abortion referendum has passed by large margins in any state where they have been on the ballot, even in red states. Maybe I’m wrong, feel free to name states where pro-abortion measures have failed in the past couple of years.

We’ll see about FL in November. It will take 60% of the voters to approve the measure in FL, and it seems to be very close as to whether it will pass or not.

I think Trump is taking the right tact, saying the measure is up to states. However, folks on here that think abortion access isn’t an important issue to a lot of women are just fooling themselves.


42 posted on 08/19/2024 1:39:09 PM PDT by Roadrunner383
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To: Roadrunner383

We haven’t even had one in TN.

I didn’t understand Ohio going big time for easier abortion.


43 posted on 08/19/2024 1:41:15 PM PDT by Fledermaus (Clay Bevis and Cuck Butthead are panty wadded, pearl clutching cowards. Rush deserves better.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Absurd. She’s a Trump hater from the git-go

https://www.thebulwark.com/p/donald-trump-should-not-have-been-debate-stage

Abortion has been determined by the USSC’s reversal of its unconstitutional assertion in Roe v Wade to be a STATES’ RIGHTS ISSUE, and she and PP and leftists know that full well. Trump has even said that it’s a state purview. He isn’t really calling for a national abortion policy in the last speech I remember him giving.

Leftists want to mandate federal control over abortion and impose that as a litmus test for any Presidential hopeful, but that right just is not there in the Constitution and Congress can’t make it so.


44 posted on 08/19/2024 1:47:53 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

The problem is, his position has never been consistent.

He used to be pro choice. Then he did support a national ban, then modified it to be after 20 weeks, changed to 15 weeks and even said a woman and the doctor should be punished criminally. Now he’s settled on it being up to the states with states like Arizona going too far.


45 posted on 08/19/2024 1:56:54 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: Fuzz

Okay....yes his position has changed, and he in the last speech I saw admitted part of the problem is that “you’ve got to get elected....” [for any politician]... he then iterated how he personally felt on abortion.

My point is that politicians’ positions on abortion don’t really factor into it. It (abortion) is a litmus test that has no real basis because of the USSC reversal and Constitutionality.

That which is not iterated/specified in the Constitution is left to the state, period. Hard to federalize controls on that - would require a Constitutional Amendment, which would have to repeal the 10th Amendment, basically. That’s a tall order for an integral part of the Bill of Rights (1st Ten Amendments).


46 posted on 08/19/2024 2:12:28 PM PDT by Gaffer
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To: Gaffer

Of course a politicians position on any issue factors into it. They make the laws.

It’s why politicians like Trump are changing their positions depending on what gets them elected. For Republican presidential candidates they are more anti-abortion in the primaries and back toward the middle after the nomination.


47 posted on 08/19/2024 2:32:00 PM PDT by Fuzz
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To: MeanWestTexan

Exactly. Constitutional Republic.


48 posted on 08/19/2024 2:33:57 PM PDT by MrRelevant
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To: MrRelevant

Yes, and more. A union of separate states.


49 posted on 08/19/2024 3:04:27 PM PDT by MeanWestTexan (Sometimes There Is No Lesser Of Two Evils)
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To: Responsibility2nd

Yes, it’s why Republicans have been losing.


50 posted on 08/19/2024 4:46:33 PM PDT by Vision (Woke is communism and it has no place in America. Election Reform Now! Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: 9YearLurker

Well…when the next civil war arrives I hope those leftist women get there just reward.


51 posted on 08/19/2024 4:52:56 PM PDT by ohioman
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To: Vision

If women won’t vote conservative due to the abortion then we don’t get their votes.

The alternative is to compromise even more on the abortion issue. And that ain’t gonna happen.


52 posted on 08/19/2024 4:54:37 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (2 coups in less than 4 years. America is truly a first world Banana Republic.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

And that’s probably a major reason why America has been fundamentally changed and is run by commies, on the brink of collapse.


53 posted on 08/19/2024 4:58:43 PM PDT by Vision (Woke is communism and it has no place in America. Election Reform Now! Obama is an evildoer.)
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To: Vision

There some principles and values that can’t be compromised. Some feel abortion is one of them.

And some feel that giving up ground to the enemy never stops. Today it’s abortion. Next year pedophilia will be legalized. The following year, we adopt England’s code and outlaw Free Speech. Then guns will be next. Etc.


54 posted on 08/19/2024 5:10:15 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (2 coups in less than 4 years. America is truly a first world Banana Republic.)
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

LA Slimes is a joke in poor taste.


55 posted on 08/19/2024 5:17:27 PM PDT by Redleg Duke (“Time to Play Cowboys and Snowflakes!”)
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To: Responsibility2nd
The alternative is to compromise even more on the abortion issue. And that ain’t gonna happen.

You can't compromise from a 100% losing position and that where the pro-life crowd currently is. A national abortion ban has already been stricken from the GOP platform.

The pro-life movement in America is effectively dead. Pro-lifers may continue to stomp their feet in frustration but this will amount to nothing as extremely permissive pro-abortion legislation passes by wide popular referendums in even the reddest of states.

56 posted on 08/19/2024 5:35:50 PM PDT by Drew68
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

If it's "suburban women" we are concerned about, why is always ugly old hags who are WELL BEYOND CHILD REARING YEARS who show up to their (paid) protests?

57 posted on 08/19/2024 5:37:34 PM PDT by RasterMaster ("Towering genius disdains a beaten path." - Abraham Lincoln)
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To: Drew68

A pro life position has been on every Republican Platform for 40 years. Many Repubs called for and would have supported a Life Begins at Conception Amendment. Now you and Republicans say that this is a “100% losing position” and so abortion is not a National issue.

Funny, but no one told the Democrats that this is not a national issue as they have a Planned Parenthood mobile clinic at the DNC right now as we FReep performing free abortions.

We can no more leave this issue up to the States any more than we could leave slavery up to the States.

I don’t like this, but I’ll still vote Republican even though much of their positions are not conservative.

And I’ll keep reminding us all what we already know. Conceding and compromising with the enemy never stops.


58 posted on 08/19/2024 5:54:16 PM PDT by Responsibility2nd (2 coups in less than 4 years. America is truly a first world Banana Republic.)
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To: Responsibility2nd

I don’t think so.


59 posted on 08/20/2024 4:38:23 AM PDT by Vision (Woke is communism and it has no place in America. Election Reform Now! Obama is an evildoer.)
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