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Where does punctuation come from?! [18:55]
YouTube ^ | August 17, 2024 | RobWords

Posted on 08/18/2024 10:24:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv

==CHAPTERS==
0:00 Introduction
0:10 The space between words
1:34 What is punctuation?
2:04 The first punctuation
2:54 Period/full (.) stop & comma (,)
5:11 Colon (:) & semicolon (;)
6:57 NordVPN
7:55 Question mark (?)
10:12 Exclamation mark/point (!)
11:47 Quotation marks (")
13:50 Brackets (())
14:57 Dash (–) & hyphen (-)
16:00 Apostrophe (')
17:28 Ellipsis (...)
18:40 MERCH!
Where does punctuation come from?! | 18:55
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·Introduction
0:00·Where do all of our punctuation marks come from?
0:03·How did we go from just these to all of these?
0:06·Find out right now
0:08·in another RobWords.
·The space between words
0:10·Now, I'm going to start with something you perhaps weren't expecting.
0:14·This.
0:15·This here is the space we leave between words
0:20·because before we get onto the dots, dashes and squiggles, it's worth a mention.
0:25·We should not take these helpful little gaps that pace out our sentences for
0:29·granted because they haven't always been a given.
0:32·Did you know Greeks didn't use them?
0:34·Their sentences were just one long string of letters.
0:38·The Romans were just as bad.
0:40·They experimented with putting dots between words for a bit but ditched
0:44·that idea and went back to this interminable mess.
0:47·All of this meant the Romans and Greeks were constantly having to
0:51·reread things until they understood them.
0:54·And what's more, they would do so out loud,
0:58·because they found that the rhythms of speech helped them with the deciphering.
1:02·You know, historians believe that literate members
1:04·of these two supreme cultures did all of their reading out loud
1:10·mumbling along with the text like, I dunno, modern-day six-year-olds.
1:15·The practice of reading quietly in your head isn't thought to have been
1:18·the norm until something like the 10th century.
1:21·And only once English, Irish and German Christian scribes - sick to
1:25·the gospels of impenetrable Latin prose - started putting spaces between the words.
1:32·Hallelujah.
1:33·But are spaces really punctuation?
·What is punctuation?
1:36·Yeah, well… let's look at the word.
1:39·Punctuation literally means "pointing" as in marking with a point.
1:45·It's from the Latin for point, punct.
1:47·And in fact, for several centuries we referred to punctuation as "pointing".
1:52·The word "punctuation" was reserved for the dots used to mark vowel sounds in Hebrew.
1:56·But us starting to use the word punctuation for all manner of
1:59·markings is one of many pretentious developments during the renaissance.
·The first punctuation
2:04·So let's do what those renaissance scholars would
2:06·have bloomin' loved to have done and go back in time to antiquity.
2:11·More precisely to the famous Library of Alexandria
2:15·because that's where the story of our punctuation marks begins
2:19·with a man called Aristophanes of Byzantium.
2:22·In around the 2nd century BC,
2:24·he proposed a system to solve the problem of the unreadability of Greek writing,
2:29·which had really hit a low point.
2:32·And actually, that's precisely what he proposed: a low point. And a middle point. And a high point.
2:38·Aristophanes put forward a system where dots would be used to mark in sentences
2:43·where pauses of different lengths should occur.
2:47·The middle one marked the shortest break. The bottom one,
2:50·a little longer. And the top one, longer still.
2:53·These were called comma, colon and periodos.
·Period/full (.) stop & comma (,)
2:58·Hmm, familiar, right? Seems like a game-changer, doesn't it?
3:02·Well no. The Romans had no interest in the idea and the practice died out.
3:07·However, Hallelujah once more, because In the 6th century,
3:11·Christian writers began to use punctuation again to help clarify their writings.
3:16·They were much more keen on spreading their
3:17·religion on paper than the pagan polytheists who came before them.
3:22·You see, they'd written this book called the Bible, and it was like a bible to them
3:27·and they wanted to leave minimal space for ambiguity when spreading the word of God.
3:32·Punctuation was a great way to do that.
3:35·So they reverted back to something very similar to Aristophanes' system.
3:39·However, instead of representing pauses, the dots played a grammatical role,
3:45·which is what punctuation does to this day.
3:48·The periodos - having been rechristened the
3:50·distinctio finalis - was now the marker of the end of a sentence
3:55·and the colon and comma broke the sentence up into clauses.
3:59·So now we're getting there, aren't we?
4:01·But then, a problem arose.
4:03·These three points worked well with the consistent heights of
4:07·Roman majuscule lettering - what we call capital or upper case today -
4:12·but scribes had also started to write with lower case minuscule
4:16·letters of different heights with tall stretchy bits and pendulous dangly bits.
4:22·And suddenly it was less easy to tell whether a dot was at the bottom,
4:27·at the top or somewhere in the middle.
4:30·So the system all but falls apart, and just one of the dots survives.
4:35·But that dot is with us now. It is the period or "full stop",
4:40·because that's what it originally marked.
4:43·Meanwhile, a new way of denoting a mid-sentence pause had emerged.
4:47·It was called the virgule and was like a forward slash.
4:51·However, over time it shrunk, gained a cute little curl and became our comma,
4:58·named after Aristophanes's original marker.
5:01·Incidentally a comma is still called a virgule in French and a virgola in Italian.
5:07·I bet I've said that wrong, sorry.
5:08·Anyway, scholars from both countries played a huge part in all of this.
·Colon (:) & semicolon (;)
5:12·So that's the period/full stop and the comma covered.
5:15·But what happened with the colon? And it's half-sibling the semicolon?
5:21·Well, the colon, despite sharing a name with one of Aristophanes's OG pause markers,
5:26·actually started out life as this: the punctus elevātus.
5:30·It was originally used in the notation of Gregorian
5:34·chants and it told whoever was doing the chanting
5:37·- a monk, I guess -
5:39·that they were supposed to both pause and change tone at this point
5:43·hence the two elements to it.
5:46·That pause was a medium-length pause and we
5:49·now use a simplified version of it for something similar:
5:53·at the start of a list or when further explanation is on the way.
5:57·The semicolon originates in another similar looking symbol,
6:01·the punctus versus or "facing mark".
6:05·It was used by mediaeval scribes to denote the end
6:07·of a sentence and that usage hasn't changed as much as you might think
6:11·because very often you can just replace a semi-colon with a full
6:15·stop and your writing still makes perfect sense.
6:19·It's quite common for people to struggle with
6:20·the different uses of colons and semicolons these days.
6:23·I think it's partly because, despite the colon looking the more final of the two in my view -
6:28·It just looks harder than a semi -
6:29·it's actually only the semicolon that can be replaced by a full stop.
6:34·The semicolon joins two independent clauses. Here's an example:
6:39·The internet can be a dangerous place; it's important to protect yourself online.
6:44·You see, you could just as well write that as two sentences divided by a full stop.
6:49·Meanwhile the colon introduces information set-up by what's come before it. For example:
6:55·Luckily, there is a solution:
·NordVPN [redacted]
·Question mark (?)
7:56·Now, a huge question mark hangs over the origin of the question mark.
8:01·But shall I start with the leading theory?
8:04·It's that our most charismatic of punctuation marks started out as this:
8:09·the punctus interrogativus.
8:12·Sounds promising, doesn't it? I mean that literally means question mark.
8:16·This guy came about around 12-hundred years ago,
8:20·in the court of Charlemagne, the first Holy Roman Emperor.
8:23·The earliest usage we know of is in documents like this one
8:27·from old Charlie's scriptorium in the beautiful city of Aachen.
8:31·Check it out, it appears three times on this page alone, here, here and here.
8:37·And in every case, it's at the end of a question.
8:42·You see that "quid"? That means "what?" in Latin.
8:45·And what this ascending squiggly line over a dot is telling the reader - so
8:50·whoever is singing or reciting these lines - to do
8:53·is to raise their intonation, then stop.
8:57·Which is what we do when we ask a question, right?
9:00·So it seems pretty open and shut to me that that eventually becomes our question mark.
9:05·The problem is we don't have much evidence of the intermediate stages
9:09·and there's a big gap between those documents and it popping up elsewhere.
9:13·However, the theory is still better than the alternatives, one of which
9:16·is that the question mark started out life as an Egyptian hieroglyph of a cat's tail.
9:22·Cats apparently curl their tails when they're curious about something.
9:27·The Egyptians did love cats, but I couldn't find that hieroglyph.
9:31·Plus what's the dot supposed to represent?
9:33·Another more complete theory is that it's formed
9:36·from the first and last letters of the Latin word for "a question", quaestio.
9:41·Monks would sometimes save space by writing letters on top of one another
9:45·like the squiggle on the top of some Ns in Spanish,
9:47·the enye, started out as an N on top of an N.
9:52·Anyway, the writing of that Q and O may have got
9:55·sloppier and sloppier over time until we got to what we have now.
10:00·But again, where's the evidence of these intermediate phases?
10:04·If you've got some, let me know.
10:07·So I'm giving the boffins in Charlemagne's scriptorium the credit for the question mark.
·Exclamation mark/point (!)
10:12·However, the quaestio theory has one other thing going for it:
10:17·It fits very neatly with the leading theory about another punctuation mark.
10:22·The BANG! Also known as, the exclamation mark-slash-point.
10:27·So it's thought that this line over a dot started out as a line next to a circle, spelling out "IO!"
10:35·which is itself a Latin exclamation.
10:38·It could be used to suggest joy like "hurraaaay"
10:42·or it could just draw attention to something, like "yo!"
10:46·Yo!
10:48·I can't do that convincingly.
10:49·Again, thrifty scribes wanting to save on paper supposedly started to put the i above the o,
10:55·and that gradually simplified into something called the punctus
10:59·admirativus or punctus exclamtivus, which becomes our exclamation mark-slash-point.
11:05·I mentioned this is also called a "bang" - hence this emphatic questioning symbol
11:10·that never caught on is called the interrobang,
11:13·It is an interrogative bang.
11:16·Printers have lots of other nicknames for the exclamation mark too. Among
11:20·them apparently are "the screamer", "the gasper" and "the dog's di-"
11:26·I'm not saying that one.
11:27·Whatever they're called, one must be careful
11:29·not to overuse them, lest one seem uncoolly overenthusiastic or even out and out insane.
11:37·F Scott Fitzgerald - author of the Great Gatsby wasn't a fan either - he said using one was
11:44·"like laughing at your own joke".
·Quotation marks (")
11:49·Okay, what's going on with these?
11:50·Let's talk about quotation marks next.
11:52·Quotation marks are a funny one. We still don't seem to
11:54·have made up our mind what to do with them.
11:57·Should they come alone or in pairs, face one another, be flipped over,
12:02·sit on the ground, be pointy, curved or straight -
12:06·all of those are used around Europe, by the way.
12:08·Well, whatever your preference or preferences,
12:11·they're all thought to originate in the same place.
12:15·Meet this sharp-looking fellow. His name is diple,
12:18·which is adorable and means double in Ancient Greek.
12:21·He's so called because it takes two lines to draw him.
12:25·This symbol was used by librarians back at the ancient Library of Alexandria
12:29·again to flag up important sections of text.
12:33·It was placed in the margin - here it is being used on a Greek papyrus from
12:37·the second or third century. Pretty cool right?
12:39·It was also sometimes placed at either end of the line.
12:43·So it flagged up something important and
12:46·for later Christian scholars "important" very often meant a quote from the bible.
12:51·So they start marking quotes from the bible with these symbols.
12:55·Then they start to use them to mark out quotes from elsewhere.
12:59·In the meantime, the printing press comes along
13:02·and it becomes awkward to put these chevrons in the margin.
13:06·So they migrate into the body of the text itself, neatly bookending -
13:11·Is that a pun? If it is, excuse it.
13:14·- these quotes.
13:15·But another problem thrown up by the presses
13:17·is that printers often didn't have a cute little diple to use,
13:21·so they improvised drafting in things like commas to use instead.
13:27·But to mark them out from other commas they inverted them - hence inverted commas -
13:32·or doubled them or did both.
13:35·Ta daaaa.
13:37·A few European languages still mark out quotes
13:39·with a double double diple - so, a double double double.
13:43·This system appears to have been pioneered by a fella called Guillaume
13:47·because they were named after him.
·Brackets (())
13:50·Now these pairs of diple are rather similar to angle brackets we sometimes
13:54·use today or chevrons aren't they? So let's go there next.
13:58·Brackets or parentheses start to pop up in manuscripts from the 14th century onwards.
14:05·To start with, they are indeed pointy. But by the 16th century they have taken on a smoother shape.
14:11·Here they are being somewhat overused in that period.
14:14·They'd smoothened sufficiently enough for the
14:16·theologian Erasmus to coin a darling new name for them.
14:19·He described how asides could be marked out with two little moons, which he called lunulae.
14:26·Nowadays we have all kinds of brackets to choose from
14:29·but if you're talking about medieval manuscripts and using the word brackets,
14:32·you're actually most likely to be referring to the curly whirly kind,
14:36·which were scrawled all over old documents to help direct the attention of readers to the right bits.
14:42·But today, we most commonly use brackets when we want to include an aside or something like that.
14:48·The word parenthesis comes from the Greek for "to put in beside".
14:53·It's for squeezing in extra bits of information.
·Dash (–) & hyphen (-)
14:57·But brackets aren't the only means through which we do this.
15:00·You can use a pair of commas
15:02·Or - if you really want to accentuate the additional remark - you can use a pair of dashes.
15:09·Now, this is a pretty new invention from the 18th century.
15:13·The hyphen though, which is like the dash but shorter, has been around much much longer.
15:19·It starts to show up in manuscripts from the late 13th century to show
15:24·where a word has been split between two lines - just the same as we use it now.
15:29·We also use the hyphen to either join together two words or separate parts of a compound word
15:34·I actually can't quite get my head around which of those it's primarily doing.
15:38·Who cares, I suppose, it's going to die out one day anyway.
15:40·I mean, they're all disappearing.
15:42·But that usage relates nicely to what the Greeks originally dubbed the "hyphen".
15:47·It was a little crescent that they'd pop underneath a compound
15:51·to show that it should be read as a single word.
15:55·The word "hyphen" comes from the Greek for "together" or "in one".
·Apostrophe (')
16:00·Another punctuation mark etymology that gives
16:02·a clue to its original use is that of the apostrophe.
16:05·The apostrophe starts out life as a medieval marker of omission,
16:10·meaning it shows where something has been left out of a word,
16:13·a letter or a few letters.
16:16·And the word apostrophe comes from a Greek word meaning "to turn away".
16:21·The idea is that you have turned away from part of the word.
16:25·Incidentally, the word apostrophe also describes a rhetorical device where someone turns away from
16:30·their audience to address someone or something else either present or otherwise or even dead
16:35·like when Hamlet switches to addressing the skull of the jester Yorrick:
16:40·"Where be your gibes now? Your gambols? Your songs?"
16:44·He's dead mate.
16:45·Anyway we're concerned with the punctuation mark the apostrophe,
16:48·which still marks where some letters have been missed out, as it always has done.
16:52·But we also have this curious extra use of it to show possession.
16:58·And the reason for this is really stupid.
17:01·It's the result of a misconception that this is an abbreviation of the word "his"
17:06·so that Mike's house should be "Mike his house" and you can actually find
17:12·examples of that formulation being used as a kind of overcorrection.
17:16·It is rubbish though.
17:18·In Old English you just stuck an S on the end of a
17:20·noun to reference it belonging to someone with no apostrophe needed.
17:24·"Oh silly apostrophe, what are you doing there?"
·Ellipsis (...)
17:28·Right, next we shall go for… dot dot dot…
17:31·ellipsis.
17:32·An ellipsis - that trio of dots - ultimately conveys silence
17:37·for example, through a lapse, a deliberate interruption,
17:41·or because a writer doesn't want to bother you with a full quote.
17:44·The use of ellipses is primarily a dramatic device.
17:48·They are all about the interruption of speech, so it's no surprise that they first appear in plays.
17:56·One of the earliest examples of it is here,
17:58·where it is actually a stream of dashes and marks an interruption.
18:03·This is from 1588, so during Shakespeare's lifetime.
18:08·Why the three - or more - dots or dashes though?
18:11·Well, one of the reasons will have been that printers were just using what they had.
18:15·And they had periods up the wazoo.
18:16·And as for the writers themselves… well isn't there just something about
18:20·these trailing dots that just suggests things left unsaid?
18:24·Ellipsis comes from the Greek for "to come short" and ellipses are a great
18:28·way of leaving someone wanting more.
18:32·So let me attempt to do exactly that by ending here.
18:35·Thanks a lot for watching. If you've enjoyed this video, I recommend watching this one next.
18:39·And also, I've just created a load of wordy nerdy tshirt designs.
·MERCH!
18:42·You should check those out - I'll leave a link below.
18:45·And also, get on that big old NordVPN deal too.
18:50·That's all from me this time.
18:52·Period.
18:53·Full stop.

1 posted on 08/18/2024 10:24:54 PM PDT by SunkenCiv
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To: StayAt HomeMother; Ernest_at_the_Beach; 1ofmanyfree; 21twelve; 24Karet; 2ndDivisionVet; 31R1O; ...

2 posted on 08/18/2024 10:25:31 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv

Uh oh, wait - you mean “Let’s eat, Grandma” and “Let’s eat Grandma” are different?


3 posted on 08/18/2024 10:27:48 PM PDT by Billthedrill
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To: Billthedrill

Punctuation is a glory tool for teachers. She knew damn well what I meant.


4 posted on 08/18/2024 10:33:33 PM PDT by Sacajaweau
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To: SunkenCiv

From that rarely discussed historic writer named
Comma Chameleonne?


5 posted on 08/18/2024 10:41:25 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: Billthedrill

LOL


6 posted on 08/18/2024 10:45:53 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: lee martell

Heh, I remember years ago, my bro-in-law pointing out the Sunday Brenda Starr strip, where she was performing as Girl Brenda, probably so the artist could set up a similar joke — she sang, “Comma Comma Comma Comma Comma Quotation Mark...”


7 posted on 08/18/2024 11:07:56 PM PDT by SunkenCiv (Putin should skip ahead to where he kills himself in the bunker.)
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To: SunkenCiv
What a great little tool.

Thank You.

8 posted on 08/18/2024 11:14:16 PM PDT by knarf
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To: SunkenCiv

Lol!


9 posted on 08/18/2024 11:23:55 PM PDT by lee martell
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To: SunkenCiv

10 posted on 08/18/2024 11:35:00 PM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: SunkenCiv
Where does punctuation come from?!

Well, when a full-stop and a comma love each other very, very much...

Regards,

11 posted on 08/18/2024 11:44:45 PM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: SunkenCiv

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NPc0aijY2o4

Victor Borge reading for Ronald and Nancy Reagan.


12 posted on 08/19/2024 1:34:36 AM PDT by 21twelve (Ever Vigilant - Never Fearful)
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To: SunkenCiv; SaveFerris; PROCON

13 posted on 08/19/2024 1:39:37 AM PDT by Larry Lucido (Donate! Don't just post clickbait!)
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To: SunkenCiv; Rennes Templar
This is great, thanks!

I'm only about a third of the way through so far because there's so much in here.

Talk about a treasure trove of etymological entertainment, of putting the pun back into punctuation.

Here's an example in the very "facing" mark:

Etymology

From Medieval Latin pūnctus versus (literally “facing mark”).

Noun
punctus versus

1. (palaeography) A medieval punctuation mark marking the end of a sentence (approximately ;)

https://en.wiktionary.org/wiki/punctus_versus

Now if that doesn't indicate just how much has been lost in translation, nothing does 😉

The internet can be a dangerous place; it's important to protect yourself online.

(See? It never ends..)

14 posted on 08/19/2024 3:53:46 AM PDT by Ezekiel (🆘️ "Come fly with US". 🔴 Ingenuity -- because the Son of David begins with MARS ♂️, aka every man)
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To: SunkenCiv

Reminds me of an old word puzzle

(usually in all caps so as not to give away the game)

that that is is that that is not is not that that is is not that that is not that that is not is not that that is

Answer below:

That that is, is. That that is not, is not. That that is is not that that is not. That that is not is not that that is.


15 posted on 08/19/2024 4:02:32 AM PDT by P.O.E. (Pray for America.)
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To: SunkenCiv

The Roman, Punctillius, invented it.


16 posted on 08/19/2024 4:13:36 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (Trump/Vance 2024 or GFY)
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To: SunkenCiv

The upper row of our keyboards...................


17 posted on 08/19/2024 4:23:23 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: alexander_busek

That’s a Semi-Colon.................


18 posted on 08/19/2024 4:26:16 AM PDT by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: SunkenCiv
"Where does punctuation come from?!"

Oh, Punctuation comes from Schoolhouse Rock! Lessons

Interjections (Hey!) show excitement (Yow!) or emotion (Ouch!).
They're generally set apart from a sentence by an exclamation point,
Or by a comma when the feeling's not as strong.

19 posted on 08/19/2024 4:42:13 AM PDT by Zack Attack (✔)
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To: SunkenCiv

I have two other questions:

- Is there another word for “synonym”?

- Who was the sadist that put the “s” in “lisp”?


20 posted on 08/19/2024 5:22:47 AM PDT by trebb (So many fools - so little time...)
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