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Ukraine has Lost any Prospect of ReCapture, and the War.
Guardian ^ | 7/25/2024 | Self

Posted on 07/25/2024 3:26:11 AM PDT by Jumper

I know we will win – and how’: Ukraine’s top general on turning the tables against Russia, an Interview with Col Gen Oleksandr Syrskyi

Syrskyi is Ukraine’s new commander-in-chief. Two and half years into Vladimir Putin’s full-scale onslaught, he acknowledges the Russians are much better resourced. They have more of everything: tanks, infantry fighting vehicles, soldiers. Their original 100,000-strong invasion force has grown to 520,000, he said, with a goal by the end of 2024 of 690,000 men. The figures for Ukraine have not been made public.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Military/Veterans; Music/Entertainment
KEYWORDS: blintzmaximus; russia; theusualdumbspects; ukraine; war; zelenskyqs
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To: Jumper
“Russia has doubled their tank numbers at the same time they lost 3x those numbers.”

They keep bringing back to service the old crap out of storage. It's confirmed by countless photos and videos.

41 posted on 07/25/2024 6:44:53 AM PDT by Grzegorz 246
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To: Jumper
Your point that Russia is being degraded is pure fantasy.

Of course, the thousands of destroyed Russian tanks and the half million killed or maimed Russian soldiers have made the Russian military only stronger!

Brilliant logic!

Regards,

42 posted on 07/25/2024 7:15:35 AM PDT by alexander_busek (Extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence.)
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To: ZULU

Russian army has been stalled outside Chasiv Yar, a town of 12000 and a designated crucial objective, for three months. It took them a year to demolish and occupy Bakhmut, the next town to the East. I hardly think they are a threat to “attack the West.” I agree Putin is a bad actor, but please, spare us the hysterics.

This is an artificial war, inspired in the 1990s by the Polish antiRussian maniac Zbignieu Brzyzinski and instigated by neoconservative machinations during the Obama regime, intending to get Ukraine into NATO.
That stepped on Putin’s third rail. The rest is history.


43 posted on 07/25/2024 7:23:38 AM PDT by hinckley buzzard ( Resist the narrative. )
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To: blitz128
Can Ukraine brake back it’s land through military might, no, but the collapse of the soviet union did not happen through kinetic action but a collapse from within That is where I see it going

Tsarist Russia had advanced well into Habsburg Galicia before it collapsed in October 1917. Russian battle tactics of sacrificing men like sheep to gain ground eventually causes other problems in their society. There will be lots of Russian girls looking for foreign husbands because of the war.
44 posted on 07/25/2024 7:34:02 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: aMorePerfectUnion; kiryandil; JonPreston; bimboeruption

British tabloid-induced zeeper follies ping. The Guardian, no less.


45 posted on 07/25/2024 8:23:11 AM PDT by Allegra
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To: blitz128
You speak these numbers as fact please cite your sources

Another starry-eyed neoconned whistling past the bulging Ukrainian graveyards...

46 posted on 07/25/2024 8:26:07 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: blitz128
Can Ukraine brake back it’s land through military might

??

47 posted on 07/25/2024 8:26:55 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: kiryandil

48 posted on 07/25/2024 8:29:05 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: ZULU; Jumper
WHY ANYONE WOULD QUOTE THAT COMMUNIST RAG “THE GUARDIAN” ON THIS FORUM EXCEPT TO ATTACK IT IS BEYOND ME.

The "Grauniad" is very, very pro-Ukrainian.

49 posted on 07/25/2024 8:30:02 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: JonPreston
I see you're having blintzes for brunch.  
50 posted on 07/25/2024 8:31:00 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: kiryandil

Speaking of blintzes, where is Churchill’s Ghost? He’s been gone for months.


51 posted on 07/25/2024 8:37:33 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: JonPreston
It's been pleasant, hasn't it?

Does the man have no friends on FR?

52 posted on 07/25/2024 8:39:20 AM PDT by kiryandil (FR Democrat Party operatives! Rally in defense of your Colombian cartel stooge Merchan!)
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To: kiryandil

Timber Rattler claimed to be in contact, but he’s been mostly gone. Again, thankfully.


53 posted on 07/25/2024 8:50:01 AM PDT by JonPreston ( ✌ ☮️ )
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To: blitz128

Ukraine had that from day 1, a conscription maximum age of 60. In fact, they raised it to 65 in some cases.

Did you raise the same argument back when the war started regards Ukraine?

https://visitukraine.today/de/blog/2715/ukraine-wants-to-remove-age-limits-for-conscription-into-the-army-what-is-known-and-what-fakes-are-already-sowing-russians

Did you raise that argument when Ukraine lowered the minimum age for conscription?

https://www.cnn.com/2024/04/02/europe/zelensky-signs-conscription-law-intl/index.html

Did you raise the same issue regards Ukraine when they limited consular services in the hopes of forcing men to return so they can be used in this war?

https://www.rferl.org/a/ukraine-consulates-conscription-age-men/32917472.html

Did you raise the same issue when families were sending young boys under the minimum age out of Ukraine so they couldn’t be drafted when they do reach the age? Or when Ukrainian men are trying to escape? Or you have recruiters (((forcing))) young Ukrainian men to come with them (literally a paddy wagon pick up) so they can be used in this war? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Xnw2Abqmu64 You need to get away from Google, YouTube, (US censored) etc if you want to see the hundreds of video’s like this. Some are quite amusing (sad but funny). Telegram is one platform where you can get something other than the one sided junk peddled off as news.

When you use an argument selectively, that is not indicative of being unbiased and it will usually not deliver you the results you hope for.

It is merely closing your eyes and pretending things are different from how they really are. Denial, anger and bargaining are typical phases many folks go through when they face an issue where they don’t like what is happening and feel they have no control, but it won’t change the inevitable outcome (ask any oncologist about that).

Ukraine is a consequence of a US policy failure, a bad gamble regards NATO East expansion and how Russia will take that.

Risk and ROI were not properly considered, the Russian voice was entirely muted, and we simply thought we can force things our way, hoping Russia would acquiesce.

A lot of people had to die, be crippled, become refugees, trillions of dollars were “wasted” through this war (war spending, Ukraine’s economy, infrastructure), and the result is: maybe we should respect and consider what Russia thinks also. Maybe we should factor their voice/perception into our decision making.


54 posted on 07/25/2024 9:58:18 AM PDT by Red6
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To: alexander_busek

Russua is kicking A$$ https://youtu.be/4EEMod5P0po?si=80aXjcdNs-EL-edJ


55 posted on 07/25/2024 10:00:13 AM PDT by Jumper
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To: johniegrad

“This should have been stopped long ago.”

Yep, before it even started.

5.56mm


56 posted on 07/25/2024 10:03:40 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho have got to go. )
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To: Jonty30

“It was Ukranian genocide from the beginning.”

Ukraine’s SECOND genocide from the East.


57 posted on 07/25/2024 10:33:12 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...Say it fast...Kamala D. Harris = Calamity Harris...)
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To: Steven Tyler

“2 goals, de-militarize The Ukraine and de-nazify The Ukraine”.
^

If there’s anything to stoke fear into Ukraine’s Eastern Front, it would be to provoke the East with their one-time enemy’s battle emblems.


58 posted on 07/25/2024 10:40:37 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...Say it fast...Kamala D. Harris = Calamity Harris...)
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To: ZULU
If he succeeds there he WILL move into Eastern Europe, resurrect the Evil Empire and attack the west.


59 posted on 07/25/2024 10:47:00 AM PDT by aMorePerfectUnion (🦅 MAGADONIAN ⚔️ )
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To: JonPreston

“This article shows Ukraine still talks of taking back Crimea”
^

Ukraine received Crimea from Khrushchev and had maintained it for 72 years.

Then Putin invaded Ukraine’s capital in what Xoe Biden called, “a limited incursion”.

Russia is now trying to enjoy “The Yacht Club of Crimea” for itself.

(Yes, it exists, in Sevastopol).


60 posted on 07/25/2024 10:54:33 AM PDT by Does so ( 🇺🇦...Say it fast...Kamala D. Harris = Calamity Harris...d )
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