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James Webb Space Telescope has Discovered and Enormous Remnant of the Early Universe that Astronomers say Shouldn't Exist
The Debrief ^ | FEBRUARY 16, 2024 | MICAH HANKS

Posted on 02/16/2024 8:01:54 AM PST by Red Badger

NASA’s James Webb Space Telescope has helped reveal an 11-billion-year-old discovery more massive than the Milky Way, which astronomers say should not exist.

The unprecedented discovery, which could upend our current understanding about the formation of galaxies, and also require scientists to rethink the mysterious nature of dark matter, involves an extremely old—and massive—galaxy that existed in the early universe which was home to an ancient population of stars.

What makes the discovery unique and perplexing to astronomers is that the stars observed in this primordial galaxy should not have been able to form according to current models, because there would not have been enough dark matter accumulated to enable their genesis.

The discovery is the latest in a series of findings by the James Webb Space Telescope since its launch that are challenging our existing theories about the universe, and broadening our understanding of cosmic phenomena.

According to Karl Glazebrook, a Distinguished Professor at Swinburne University of Technology and leader of an international team behind the discovery, the new findings were several years in the making and required separate observations from two of the world’s most massive telescopes to tease out enough data to determine its age through spectroscopic observations.

“We’ve been chasing this particular galaxy for seven years,” Glazebrook said in a statement, “and spent hours observing it with the two largest telescopes on earth to figure out how old it was.

However, according to Glazebrook the dormant galactic monster “was too red and too faint, and we couldn’t measure it.”

“In the end, we had to go off Earth and use the JWST to confirm its nature,” Glazebrook said.

Present models about galactic formation are in conflict, since ongoing observations that include discoveries that the James Webb Space Telescope have helped enable continue to challenge existing theoretical ideas. These include longstanding tenets of modern astrophysics like the prediction that massive galaxies were unlikely to be as prevalent in the early universe.

However, this existing paradigm has been continually shaken by discoveries involving enormous quiescent (i.e., dormant) galaxies that astronomers have discovered as early as just one or two billion years after the birth of the universe, which Glazebrook and his colleagues say are particularly constraining on current theoretical models, given that these galaxies formed as much as 500 million years earlier than expected.

Presently, only a limited number of models astrophysicists rely on allow massive galaxies to form this early.

Glazebrook says he and his colleagues spent an enormous amount of time and effort developing a proper method for processing newer data that the James Webb Space Telescope had collected, which itself was an extension of earlier work involving infrared sky surveys that began more than a decade ago which ultimately led to the discovery that this particular galaxy, ZF-UDS-7329, was indeed unusual. However, repeated attempts to study it by employing ground-based spectroscopy at the W.M. Keck Observatory and the Very Large Telescope in northern Chile failed to confirm it.

“We are now going beyond what was possible to confirm the oldest massive quiescent monsters that exist deep in the universe,” said Dr. Themiya Nanayakkara with Swinburne’s Centre for Astrophysics and Supercomputing, who led the spectral analysis of the Webb data.

“This pushes the boundaries of our current understanding of how galaxies form and evolve,” Nanayakkara said. “The key question now is how they form so fast very early in the universe, and what mysterious mechanisms lead to stopping them forming stars abruptly when the rest of the universe doing so.”

The new findings also raise new questions for astrophysicists about the nature of dark matter and how it concentrates, which are fundamental components of our current understanding of galaxy formation.

“Galaxy formation is in large part dictated by how dark matter concentrates,” said Claudia Lagos, and Associate Professor from the University of Western Australia node of the International Centre for Radio Astronomy Research (ICRAR). Lagos and her facility were instrumental in helping to model the concentrations of dark matter and their theoretical evolution for the team’s study.

“Having these extremely massive galaxies so early in the universe is posing significant challenges to our standard model of cosmology,” Lagos said. Mainly, this is because astrophysicists had not previously thought dark matter structures massive enough to facilitate galaxies as large as ZF-UDS-7329 could have existed in the early universe. Thus, additional observations will be required in order to help piece together the newly emerging puzzle of these early massive monsters.

“Galaxy formation is in large part dictated by how dark matter concentrates,” Lagos said, adding that the recent observations of such massive stellar formations appearing so early “is posing significant challenges to our standard model of cosmology.”

“We don’t think such massive dark matter structures as to host these massive galaxies have had time yet to form,” she said.

“Although it is very striking, it is only one object,” Glazebrook concedes of his team’s discovery. “But we hope to find more, and if we do, this will really upset our ideas of galaxy formation.”

Glazebrook and the team say that future observations will likely help them to better understand this cosmic mystery, and thereby possibly reveal new insights into galactic formation and the role dark matter plays in it.

“More observations are needed to understand how common these galaxies may be,” Lagos added, “and to help us understand how truly massive these galaxies are.”

Currently, an unedited version of the team’s new paper, “A massive galaxy that formed its stars at z ~ 11,” appeared in the journal Nature and was published on February 14, 2024. The complete paper can be read in its entirety at arxiv.org.

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Micah Hanks is the Editor-in-Chief and Co-Founder of The Debrief. He can be reached by email at micah@thedebrief.org. Follow his work at micahhanks.com and on X: @MicahHanks.


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To: JZelle

I think that burned up over Hawaii last week.....................


21 posted on 02/16/2024 8:50:31 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Galaxie all form by accretion. Always have and always will.


22 posted on 02/16/2024 8:56:28 AM PST by bert ( (KE. NP. +12) Hamascide is required in totality)
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To: bert

Maybe they should go back to the drawing board:

In the beginning God created the heaven and the earth.


23 posted on 02/16/2024 9:12:05 AM PST by Mouton (A 150MT hit will not solve our problems now.)
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To: Red Badger

And to think that there are people...including scientists...who can look at photos like this and *still* insist that God *absolutely* doesn’t exist..


24 posted on 02/16/2024 9:19:37 AM PST by Gay State Conservative (Proudly Clinging To My Guns And My Religion)
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To: Gay State Conservative

It’s like looking at a chair and saying, “All these parts just came together over billions of years and evolved into a chair.”.....................patently ridiculous and a fool thing to say, but say the same thing about the entire Universe and you are called A GENIUS................


25 posted on 02/16/2024 9:25:30 AM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: JZelle

Fani Willis?


26 posted on 02/16/2024 9:32:08 AM PST by al baby (I know sarcasm )
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To: Red Badger
...the stars observed in this primordial galaxy should not have been able to form according to current models...

Which are every bit as accurate as the climate models... < /sarc >

27 posted on 02/16/2024 9:33:14 AM PST by JimRed (TERM LIMITS, NOW! Finish the damned WALL! TRUTH is the new HATE SPEECH!)
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To: wildcard_redneck

I’m starting to think that maybe the hollow earth theory may not be valid. :^)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Koreshanity


28 posted on 02/16/2024 9:34:09 AM PST by chickenlips (Neuter your politicians)
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To: wildcard_redneck

“I am stating to think “dark matter” is just a wild guess because physics is stuck.”

In science it’s just a wild guess until they think they have it figured out, then is just an “educated” guess. Science of any kind is never “settled” since one never knows 100%, and then one never knows what’s 100% because one never knows what one doesn’t know.


29 posted on 02/16/2024 9:42:10 AM PST by Rlsau1
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To: faucetman

SShhh there are grants and all kinds of funds at stake so we just have to make the guesswork sound sciencey!


30 posted on 02/16/2024 11:18:57 AM PST by BrandtMichaels ( Why I Oughta... quit dreaming I'm told - NEVER. The Broomstick Cowboy rides Again!)
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To: chickenlips

Dig deep into the underground tunnels and hollow Earth with these podcasts:

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https://podbay.fm/p/journey-to-truth/e/1702166400


31 posted on 02/16/2024 11:21:31 AM PST by cgbg ("Our democracy" = Their Kleptocracy)
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To: Red Badger

FTA: because there would not have been enough dark matter accumulated to enable their genesis.

Maybe there is no ‘dark matter’ as it’s a theory and could b wrong.

Dark matter could be all the socks that go missing from the washer & dryer.


32 posted on 02/16/2024 12:43:57 PM PST by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: Jim Noble
that Astronomers say Shouldn;t Exist

"I am, I said."

--Galaxy ZF-UDS-7329

33 posted on 02/16/2024 12:49:49 PM PST by Verginius Rufus
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To: minnesota_bound

Dark Matter is like Climate Change.

Nobody has ever seen it.

Nobody knows where it is.

But experts will tell you it exists..................


34 posted on 02/16/2024 12:58:26 PM PST by Red Badger (Homeless veterans camp in the streets while illegals are put up in 5 Star hotels....................)
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To: Red Badger

Climate change is caused by electric dark matter....


35 posted on 02/16/2024 1:00:36 PM PST by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: Red Badger
"In the beginning God created the heavens and the earth. The earth was without form, and void...."

Some speculate that Genesis 1:1 actually describes the creation of this "new" universe from the remnants of an older one.

God is a God of order and would not start off with "disorder" (without form and void).

Could this be a "leftover" from the "original" universe?

36 posted on 02/16/2024 1:02:04 PM PST by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Red Badger

and Congress has power to control it


37 posted on 02/16/2024 1:02:25 PM PST by linMcHlp
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To: Red Badger

Will this revelation lower the price of 12-pack?


38 posted on 02/16/2024 1:05:45 PM PST by citizen (Put all LBQTwhatever programming on a new subscription service: PERV-TThose look good)
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To: Red Badger
sigh... this is why I have such a problem with fake pics and "space News" in general... "What makes the discovery unique and perplexing to astronomers is that the stars observed in this primordial galaxy should not have been able to form according to current models, because there would not have been enough dark matter accumulated to enable their genesis.

its obvious you friggins morons!! youre wrong about the dark matter!! why do these people insist on running their mouths on theory?? and thats all it friggin is, Theory!! They cant post normal pictures of space, they have to theorize and enhance to extremes that are down right stupid!!

39 posted on 02/16/2024 1:10:59 PM PST by sit-rep
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To: Red Badger

dark matter = this is OUR magic


40 posted on 02/16/2024 1:11:45 PM PST by Sgt_Schultze (When your business model depends on slave labor, you're always going to need more slaves)
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