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1 posted on 01/29/2024 8:51:48 AM PST by Red Badger
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A note for you .30-cal devotees.

John Garand built the prototypes for what would become the M1 battle rifle in .276 Pedersen. He chose that round because in the 1920's the Army's ordnance bureau had conducted a study concluding the the "Goldilocks" caliber was .27-.28 -- the best compromise of lethality, recoil and ammunition weight -- and the Pedersen was a decent round that fit that bill.

When Garand's design won the competition (over, ironically, John Pedersen's own rifle), Secretary of the Army Douglas MacArthur made acceptance of Garand's rifle contingent on it being converted to use the .30-06 Springfield round on account of he had more than 3 billion rounds of the stuff left over from The Great War sitting in munitions depots.

So the .30-cal wasn't the first choice but it was forced on them by economics.

Garand also prototyped it with "primer actuation," which probably would have been a disaster in a military rifle, so not everything he did was brilliant.

Garand's first prototype also had a detachable box magazine because Garand had seen what a combat multiplier Browning's M1918 BAR was, and it had 20-rd detachable box magazines. But Army OB put the kibosh on that, too, insisting that all submissions use a fixed internal magazine of no more than ten rounds capacity. Garand sometimes gets "blamed" for that oversight but it wasn't his choice.

And RE: the .30-06, the first production models of the M1903 Springfield rifle had iron sights calibrated and marked to 2800 yards (image below), almost 1.6 miles. On later versions it was reduced to 2400 yards. And in the hands of a competent marksman, they could in fact hit an "area target" at those ranges. But it was always a waste of resources to give every grunt a rifle with that sort of potential.


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61 posted on 01/29/2024 10:58:32 AM PST by Paal Gulli
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The 6.8 SPC maintained the 2.26" COL that fits in an AR-15 magazine well. The 277 Fury is too long to use the standard AR-15 lower and the 80,000 PSI chamber pressure is too high for a stock AR-15 barrel (typically 55,000 PSI). The bigger, higher pressure 277 Fury has no place to go without a new line of lower/uppers/barrels.

I never purchased any 6.8 SPC or SPCII uppers. There was a difference in the bolt face and chamber between SPC/SPCII. I think the 6.5 Grendel had a similar problem on barrels and bolt faces. I did build/buy 6.5 Grendel rifles.

75 posted on 01/29/2024 11:35:20 AM PST by Myrddin
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Max SAAMI pressure of 80,000 for the 227 Fury? Man, that is one hot round.


82 posted on 01/29/2024 12:56:36 PM PST by kawhill (kawhill)
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What is the cost per round for these special calibers compared to 556 or 308 and are they more difficult to find than the more common calibers. Also, are the rifles chambered in these unique cartridges more expensive than common sizes?

Even 30-06 was more costly than 308 and less available, the last time I checked. Granted, this was a few years ago.


84 posted on 01/29/2024 1:15:26 PM PST by SheepWhisperer (Get involved with, or start a home fellowship group. It will be the final church. ACTS 2:42-47)
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