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No, The Constitution Does Not Allow Children Born Of Non-Citizens To Become President Of The United States
The Gateway Pundit ^ | 19 Jan 2024 | Paul Ingrassia

Posted on 01/19/2024 4:57:37 PM PST by CDR Kerchner

Nikki Haley, the daughter of two non-citizens, is patently ineligible to serve as President or Vice President under Article II, Section 1 of the Constitution

The following analysis is a detailed response to critiques of an article I wrote earlier this month that garnered national attention, and was even Truthed by President Trump, shedding light on Nikki Haley’s ineligibility to serve as President or Vice President under the Constitution. My article was published originally on my Substack and American Greatness, and was titled “The Constitution Absolutely Prohibits Nikki Haley From Being President Or Vice President.” As A Threshold Matter, Nikki Haley, The Daughter Of Two Non-Citizens, Must Provide Proof That Her Parents Were Lawful Residents When She Was Born

As we head into the New Hampshire Republican primary, the presidential field has consolidated around three major candidates: Donald Trump, the frontrunner by wide margins, Nikki Haley, and Ron DeSantis. With Vivek Ramaswamy’s distant fourth place finish in Iowa and subsequent endorsement of the 45th President, Trump’s edge in New Hampshire looks insurmountable.

Recent polling suggests that he commands an outright majority of all New Hampshire GOP voters, meaning that even if all the remaining candidates dropped out and rallied around a single challenger to Trump, their collective effort would still fail – without, perhaps, outside help from Democrats and Independents. With recent reports that Ron DeSantis’ War Room has been dissolved, and all the staff being laid off in the aftermath of Iowa’s disaster, it seems to have proven true Nikki Haley’s post-Iowa declaration that the Republican Primary has now become “a two person race.”

(Excerpt) Read more at thegatewaypundit.com ...


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To: Mr Rogers
"However, most lawyers who STUDIED the issue repeatedly concluded what the US Supreme Court said in Wong Kim Ark, with their long and detailed analysis of what the term ACTUALLY meant.

The distinction of Wong Kim Ark (1898) is that it applied to persons "domiciled" as "permanent residents" of the United States for a basis of citizenship, whereas the parents of Kamala Harris held the status of "visitors" who retained the "domicile" of their native Jamaica and India at the time of Kamala's 1964 birth.

Documents evidencing Kamala Harris ineligibility for VP (and the Presidency) under terms of the Constitution (Natural Born Citizen clause plus the 12th Amendment) available via these links:

Kamala Kancel Website (downloadable PDF available via link)

Kamala Kancel Twitter Site (twitter login required to view)

161 posted on 01/21/2024 10:08:42 AM PST by KamalaKancel
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To: coalminersson

Yes. See this 1817 PA Supreme Court decision on “natural born Citizen” as discussed on page 26 of this report to the PA Legislature about what British Common Law was still in effect in PA and what British Common Law was not. And clearly the laws of who was a British Subject were totally rejected and Vattel’s writings on Natural Law citizenship were accepted. See the footnote 12 on page 26: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/A-Digest-of-Select-British-Statutes-Still-in-Force-in-PA+in-1817-by-Samuel-Roberts.pdf

Emer de Vattel’s key sentence defining who is a “natural born Citizen” in his legal treatise on Natural Law and the Law of Nations can be read at this link, Vol.1, Chapter 19, Section 212: https://lonang.com/library/reference/vattel-law-of-nations/vatt-119/

Also for others here see my White Paper on the subject of the “natural born Citizen” term in our Presidential Eligibility clause of our U.S. Constitution as a PDF report at this link: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/naturalborncitizen/TheWhoWhatWhenWhereWhyandHowofNBC-WhitePaper.pdf

One can also click on my commenter ID for more information on the term “natural born Citizen” of the United States.


162 posted on 01/21/2024 11:25:48 AM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: coalminersson

You do not have to do that. Those who were alive in 1776 when the Declaration of Independence was proclaimed were naturalized by the Revolutionary War process and their man-made action to throw off them being subjects of the King of England and became the “original Citizens” of the United States. See the writings of David Ramsey in 1789 on that: https://www.scribd.com/lists/3301209/Papers-Discussing-Natural-Born-Citizen-Meaning-to-Constitutional-Standards They were covered by the grandfather clause in the presidential eligibility clause. These “original Citizens” then procreated the first “natural born Citizens”, the children of U.S. Citizen parents whose child in born in the country. See Vattel for more on that. See this report on the early Presidents and Commander-in-Chiefs: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2011/02/14/list-of-u-s-presidents-eligibility-under-article-ii-grandfather-clause-gfc-or-natural-born-citizen-nbc-clause-or-seated-due-to-election-fraud/


163 posted on 01/21/2024 11:33:43 AM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: odawg

“Why would he stipulate natural born over just citizen if they were the same?”

Because they are not all the same. There are citizens born and citizens made. A naturalized citizen cannot be President.


164 posted on 01/21/2024 11:38:05 AM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: jonrick46

That could help explain why all the airline arrival list microfilm rolls to Hawaii are missing in the archives for the week Obama II was allegedly born. He could have been born in Kenya weeks or months earlier and his birth was simply registered in Hawaii under their very lax birth registration law at that time, upon he and his mother returning from Kenya.

We should also note that Stanley Ann Dunham was very interested in anthropology and studied that field and would have jumped at the opportunity to go to a foreign land, pregnant or not. In fact her interest in foreign lands led her to spend most of her adult life outside of the USA. She was a free spirit of sorts and had not great love of the country of her birth and instead considered herself a citizen of the world. But like most progressive citizens of the world they highly value U.S. Citizenship too. Thus either the mother or grandmother registered Obama II as being born in Hawaii (not matter where he was physically born) using the very lax Hawaiian birth registration laws in order to get the child the coveted U.S. Citizenship status. They had not idea he would run for President in the future. Their thoughts were simply we have to get the child U.S. citizenship for his future benefit and theirs too, etc.


165 posted on 01/21/2024 11:42:29 AM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: CDR Kerchner

Bump

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166 posted on 01/21/2024 11:44:45 AM PST by Mears (p)
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To: Mr Rogers

U.S Citizenship Law, 8 USC Section 1401 naturalizes persons as U.S. Citizens at birth if they meet on of the circumstances listed therein. Naturalization as a Citizen can be granted by the United States under the powers of Congress per the U.S. Constitution, either at birth or later in their life under the relevant legal process. I suggest you read the Constitution as to what type of Citizenship the Congress can grant under laws or amendments it would pass. Congress has only naturalization powers to make Citizens by man-made Positive Law. And no where in that man-made naturalization at birth law is the word “natural” used nor is the term “natural born Citizen” used. A naturalization law is man-made law and said man-made Positive Laws can only create or grant being a Citizen by naturalization. Only Natural Law and the Laws of Nature can create a “natural born Citizen”.

And Vattel’s treatise on Principles of Natural Law which was widely read and used by the founders and framers and early Justices of the Supreme Court, clearly and succinctly defined who is a “natural born Citizen”, i.e., one born in the country to parents [plural] who are Citizens of the country. See: https://lonang.com/library/reference/vattel-law-of-nations/vatt-119/


167 posted on 01/21/2024 11:56:03 AM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: CDR Kerchner

Except....as I keep pointing out and birthers refuse to accept...Vattel NEVER SAID THAT!

He referred to the natives or indigenous people. It took a bad translation (from two French words that are also English words) made in 1797 - well AFTER the US Constitution!

So no, Vattel never said what you insist he said! Stop LYING.


168 posted on 01/21/2024 4:05:09 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Mr Rogers
What a social engineer you are and language manipulator and omitter of key parts for an important and clear "natural born Citizen", the defining sentence by Vattel that begins with "Les naturels" in which he defines "Des citoyens et naturels" in the French which is what most of the Founders and Framers were using since it was the diplomatic language of the day and in which language the copies of the newest 1775 edition were delivered to Benjamin Franklin for use by the revolutionaries in the creation of the new nation and its founding documents. See more on that key sentence in French and its correct English translation and analysis below.

Vattel very, very clearly and succinctly stated in the relevant sentence what he meant by the term “natives” when he used that word in that sentence. He defined what he meant by it in the very sentence he used it in. And it meant in the latter half of the 18th Century in his treatise words what he said he meant and said it meant, not what you say he meant here in the 21st Century, or other Progressives (that change the original intent meaning of words and terms in a living Constitution agenda manner) have said he meant in some writings in the 20th or 21st centuries. Read the sentence in total. It says exactly what he meant in the very sentence he wrote it. See: http://www.kerchner.com/images/protectourliberty/vattel-section212-french+english-sidebyside.jpg



And the sentence in the original French is even clearer, especially when more properly translated to English as it was in the 1797 edition. Remember most of the founders and framers were fluent in French which was the diplomatic language of the day. And per letters by Benjamin Franklin they had several copies of the new 1775 French edition of Vattel’s treatise in hand. And Franklin said they will be in put to good use by his fellow revolutionaries and founders: https://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/04/benjamin-franklin-in-1775-thanks.html

Read my article on that key sentence in Vol.1, Chapter 19, Section 212 of Vattel’s Law of Nations of Principles of Natural Law: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2023/04/15/my-translation-of-a-key-sentence-in-emer-de-vattels-1758-treatise-on-natural-law-in-section-212-des-citoyens-et-naturels/

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Author: Natural Born Citizen
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org
169 posted on 01/21/2024 7:54:35 PM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: CDR Kerchner

Natives and “indigene”. Hmmm...

In any case, as Wong Kim Ark deeply explored, it was not Vattel who defined how the Founders viewed NBC but...British Common Law. Remember, prior to the Revolution, the Founders called THEMSELVES “Natural Born Subjects”!


170 posted on 01/21/2024 8:11:53 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Mr Rogers

But after the Declaration of Independence they became the “original Citizen” of the new United States and they are the ones who then procreated the first “natural born Citizen” kind. Van Buren being the first “natural born Citizen” President and Commander in Chief. See: http://www.kerchner.com/protectourliberty/Presidents-Grandfathered-or-NBC-or-Frauds.pdf


171 posted on 01/21/2024 10:42:54 PM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: Mr Rogers; CDR Kerchner
At no time have two citizen parents been required. The words speak only of the status of the candidate, not his or her parents.

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson
Chester Alan Arthur
Barack Hussein Obama II
Kamala Harris

There are fifteen terms as President or Vice President without two citizen parents. The grandfather clause did not mention parents. The qualifications clause did not mention parents. Such requirement is not in any of the statements or writings of the framers of the Constitution, or in the entire record of the ratification debates of the United States Constitution.

https://www.everycrsreport.com/reports/R42097.html

Congressional Research Service
Informing the legislative debate since 1914

Qualifications for President and the "Natural Born" citizenship Eligibility Requirement

Jack Maskell
Legislative Attorney

January 11, 2016

CRS Report
Prepared for Members annd Committees of Congress

Congressional Research Service

7-5700
www.crs.gov
R42097

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Citizenship of Parents Concerning specifically the reading into the Constitution of a two-citizen-parent requirement for “natural born” citizenship status, it should be noted that there is, significantly, no historical nor controlling legal holding in American jurisprudence to support the argument that parental citizenship governs and controls the eligibility of a native born United States citizen to be President. As indicated in the discussion of the history of the constitutional provision, there is also no justification for this unique theory, which would exclude an entire class of native born U.S. citizens from eligibility for the Presidency, in any of the statements or writings of the framers of the Constitution, or in the entire record of the ratification debates of the United States Constitution.200

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In 1825, in a significant and widely recognized work on the Constitution, William Rawle specifically noted that the term “natural born citizen” as used in the Constitution would include “every person born within the United States ... whether the parents are citizens or aliens....”201 Similarly, in his treatise on Citizenship of the United States, Frederick Van Dyne, Assistant Solicitor of the Department of State, explained in 1904 that the rule governing citizenship is not one derived from “international law” or the so-called “law of nations,” but is rather municipal law which “[e]very nation determines for itself’ and, in the United States, derives from the common law principle of jus soli, dependent “on the place of birth,” as modified by statute incorporating the principles of jus sanguinis to include the children of citizens “born out of the jurisdiction of the United States.”202 In reviewing Supreme Court decisional material, the author in this treatise noted that the Fourteenth Amendment and the 1866 civil rights act “reaffirm the fundamental principle of citizenship by birth” which “was generally held to be regulated by the common law, by which all persons born within the limits and allegiance of the United States were deemed to be natural born citizens thereof.”203

Although the Supreme Court has never had to address the issue of “natural born” citizenship directly in the context of a challenge to the eligibility of one to be President, the federal courts have discussed the concept on numerous occasions for more than 200 years and have, other than in the Dred Scott decision, consistently relied upon the place of birth, without regard or reference to the status of one’s parents, as the determining factor of natural born citizenship. A celebrated and frequently relied-upon state court ruling in 1844 provided a detailed explanation of the legal history of the citizenship laws and statutes in the United States, and provided the following conclusion with respect to natural born citizenship:

Upon principle, therefore, I can entertain no doubt, but that by the law of the United States, every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever were the situation of his parents, is a natural born citizen.204

That the place of birth was principally the rule governing “natural born” citizenship under American jurisprudence, regardless of the status of one’s parents (except for children of official diplomats or hostile armies), even before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment, was explained by the Supreme Court in United States v. Wong Kim Ark, in 1898, which noted that the Fourteenth Amendment “affirms the ancient and fundamental rule of citizenship by birth within the territory, in the allegiance and under the protection of the country, including all children born here of resident aliens, with the exceptions or qualifications (as old as the rule itself) of children of foreign sovereigns or their ministers, or born on foreign public ships, or of enemies within and during a hostile occupation of part of our territory ....”205 The Supreme Court in Wong Kim Ark

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cited with approval those previous judicial rulings which held that every child born on the soil of the United States, and subject to its jurisdiction, are “natural born” citizens of this country, without regard to the nationality or citizenship status of their parents.206 The Supreme Court, this time using the term “native born citizen” again explained in that case:

Passing by questions once earnestly controverted, but finally put at rest by the Fourteenth Amendment of the Constitution, it is beyond doubt that, before the enactment of the Civil Rights Act of 1866 or the adoption of the Constitutional Amendment, all white persons, at least, born within the sovereignty of the United States, whether children of citizens or of foreigners, excepting only children of ambassadors or public ministers of a foreign government, were native-born citizens of the United States.207

As discussed previously, the Supreme Court has used the term “native born” citizens (as expressly used in Wong Kim Ark to mean those born in the United States “whether children of citizens or foreigners”) as synonymous with, or at least included within the term “natural born,” in subsequent references to eligibility to the Presidency. In United States v. Schwimmer, for example, the Court stated: “Except for eligibility to the Presidency, naturalized citizens stand on the same footing as do native born citizens208 Similarly, in Luria v. United States the Supreme Court stated: “Under our Constitution, a naturalized citizen stands on an equal footing with the native citizen in all respects, save that of eligibility to the Presidency,”209 and noted in 1931 that other than the one instance in the Constitution which provides a difference, that is, the eligibility to the Presidency, “[t]he alien, when he becomes a naturalized citizen, acquires, with one exception, every right possessed under the Constitution by those citizens who are native born.”210

With regard to the citizenship of children born in the United States to recent immigrants, it is significant to note that in this country in the late 1800’s, the public’s economic fears and hostility to foreigners led Congress to—in the words of one historian—“legitimize[ ] racism as national policy”211 by adopting legislation to prevent immigration of Chinese laborers to the United States, and to prohibit anyone of Chinese nationality to obtain U.S. citizenship through naturalization.212 Despite this law and its extensions, commonly known as the Chinese Exclusion Act, the federal courts consistently held that children born “in” the United States of Chinese parents were “natural

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born” citizens of the United States, even if the parents may not have been United States citizens themselves and could not have “naturalized” under the Chinese Exclusion Act. In 1919, for example, the United States Court of Appeals for the 5th Circuit ruled that the appellee, Low Hong, based solely on the fact that he was born in San Francisco, without any reference to the nationality of his parents, “is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”213

Similarly, in a case in 1920 concerning the identity of a petitioner, the Supreme Court of the United States explained that “[i]t is not disputed that if petitioner [Kwock Jan Fat] is the son” of two Chinese persons who were physically in the United States when petitioner was born, then the Court would accept the characterization of him as “a natural born American citizen ....”214 The Supreme Court recognized that it had been alleged in earlier immigration proceedings that the father of Kwock Jan Fat had been born in the United States and, as averred by one witness, had voted in some election. The Supreme Court, however, made no finding, did not rely upon, nor did the Court even make a passing reference to the citizenship of the father of Kwock Jan Fat.215 Furthermore, it is significant that there was no evidence, no argument, nor even any discussion in the decision of the Supreme Court, or in the reported lower court decision,216 concerning the citizenship of the mother of Kwock Jan Fat. Neither the briefs for the petitioner, nor the brief for the respondent made any assertions or allegations concerning the citizenship of, or provided any argument or evidence concerning any naturalization of the mother of Kwock Jan Fat, but rather merely noted that she had been born in China and came to the United States as a child.217 It is, of course, well known to those familiar with U.S. immigration laws that during the time of the Chinese Exclusion Act a woman who was a Chinese national, and not a citizen of the United States at birth, could not have been naturalized as a United States citizen even if she married someone who was a United States citizen.218 However, the Supreme Court never discussed, referenced, or made any finding or conclusion concerning the citizenship of either the father, or the citizenship or naturalization of the mother of Kwock Jan Fat because the citizenship of one’s parents is not and was not relevant to the determination of “natural born” citizenship of one born in the United States. The relevant factor cited and determined by the Supreme Court of the United States was not the citizenship of both the father and mother, but rather—citing to the Wong Kim

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Ark precedent—was the physical presence of the parents in the United States (that is, that the parents were “domiciled” here) at the time of Kwock’s birth in this country. Concerning the issue of balancing the considerations of fairness and justice in such identity cases of one born to Chinese parents in the United States, the Supreme Court, in an oft-quoted statement, expressly said:

It is better that many Chinese immigrants should be improperly admitted than that one natural born citizen of the United States should be permanently excluded from his country.219

In a case that preceded the Supreme Court’s Wong Kim Ark decision, the United States Court of Appeals agreed with the petitioner’s claim to be “a natural-born citizen of the United States” because of his place of birth, that is, within the United States, even though his parents were both “aliens” of Chinese nationality who were in the United States privately and “not here in any diplomatic or other official capacity under the emperor of China.”220 That federal court in 1884, relying on precedents including Assistant Vice-Chancellor Lewis Sandford’s opinion in Lynch v. Clarke, explained the concept in American jurisprudence that one is a “natural born” citizen when born in the United States, and subject to the jurisdiction of the United States,221 and that such was the state of American law even before the adoption of the Fourteenth Amendment (for other than those brought into the United States under slavery):

Independently of the constitutional provision, it has always been the doctrine of this country, except as applied to Africans brought here and sold as slaves, and their descendants, that birth within the dominions and jurisdiction of the United States of itself creates citizenship. This subject was elaborately considered by Assistant Vice-chancellor SANDFORD in Lynch v. Clarke, found in the first volume of his reports. [1 Sandf. 583.] In that case one Julia Lynch, born in New York in 1819, of alien parents, during their temporary sojourn in that city, returned with them the same year to their native country and always resided their afterwards. It was held that she was a citizen of the United States. After an exhaustive examination of the law the vice-chancellor said that he entertained no doubt that every person born within the dominions and allegiance of the United States, whatever the situation of his parents, was a natural-born citizen, and added that this was the general understanding of the legal profession, and the universal impression of the public mind.222

More recent federal cases expressly recognize the principle explained in the nineteenth century and early twentieth century cases that one born in the United States and under its jurisdiction, even when one or both parents were “aliens,” is considered a citizen of the United States by birth, and thus a “natural born” citizen of the United States. The court in Dos Reis ex rel. Camara v. Nicolls, for example, accepted the findings of fact that “The relator was born in the City of Fall River, Massachusetts, on December 31, 1921. His father was a native and citizen of Portugal, and his mother was a native of Brazil,” and that, as found by the Commissioner of Immigration and Naturalization, affirming the decision of the Board of Special Inquiry, “that the relator was a natural-born citizen....”223 In Loo Goon Hop v. Dulles, the court found that a person “having been

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born in this country,” without any reference to, finding, or identification of the citizenship of that person’s parents, is a “natural born citizen of the United States.”224 In Yamauchi v. Rogers, the federal court in reciting “findings of fact and conclusions of law,” found that the plaintiff, born in California of a “Japanese national” who had married another “Japanese national,” “is a natural born citizen of the United States....”225 A federal court in 1974 similarly explained and held: “The plaintiff was a native of Biafra, now a part of the Republic of Nigeria. His wife and two older children are also natives of that country, but his third child, a daughter, is a natural-born citizen of the United States.”226 In Diaz-Salazar v. INS, the court there noted that children born in the United States, even to an “illegal” (or undocumented) alien father, “are natural-born citizens of the United States.”227 Similarly, in Mustata v. U.S. Department of Justice, the United States Court of Appeals, in reciting the facts of the case, noted: “Petitioners Marian and Lenuta Mustata are citizens of Romania. At the time of their petition, they resided in Michigan with their two minor children, who are natural born citizens of the United States.”228

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198 Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. at 329.

199 Perkins v. Elg, 307 U.S. at 330.

200 As an historical matter it may be noted that Chester A. Arthur, 21st President of the United States, was apparently born in the United States (despite rumors being spread by opponents that he was born in Canada) in 1829 to a U.S. citizen-mother and a father who was not a U.S. citizen, but rather a citizen of Ireland and a British subject, although there have been assertions by some that this fact was not widely known at the time. See Thomas Reeves, GENTLEMAN BOSS: THE LIFE OF CHESTER ALAN ARTHUR, 202-203 (1975)). There was also a question raised concerning Charles Evans Hughes, Republican candidate for President who narrowly lost to Woodrow Wilson in 1916, and who was born in the United States to parents who were British subjects. Note Medina, The Presidential Qualifications Clause, supra at 267, n. 72, citing to Long, Is Mr. Charles Evans Hughes a “Natural Born Citizen” Within the Meaning of the Constitution? 49 CHIC. LEGAL NEWS 146 (1916). Although a question was raised by this individual at the time of Hughes’ candidacy, it did not appear to be an issue of any significance for Hughes or other presidential or vice-presidential candidates who were born in the U.S. of recent immigrants, as the “two-citizen-parent” argument with respect to native born U.S. citizens has not garnered serious legal consideration after Wong Kim Ark in 1898. The question did not appear to merit even a mention in the definitive, two-volume biography of Hughes. Merlo J. Pusey, CHARLES EVANS HUGHES, 316-366 (New York 1963).

201 William Rawle, A VIEW OF THE CONSTITUTION THE UNITED STATES OF AMERICA, at 80 (1825).

202 Frederick Van Dyne, CITIZENSHIP OF THE UNITED STATES, at 3-4 (New York 1904).

203 Id. at 4, 12. Emphasis added. Van Dyne explained in his treatise on citizenship that children born in the United States, even of alien parents (other than for the exceptions of diplomats and hostile troops) are natural born citizens of the United States, and distinguished as mere obiter dictum contrary comments on “jurisdiction” by the Court in The Slaughter House Cases, 16 Wall. (83 U.S.) 36, 73 (1872) which, even by 1904, had been shown to be no longer controlling as to those points. Id. at 12-23.

204 Lynch v. Clarke, 3 N.Y. Leg. Ob. 236, 250 (1844). Emphasis added.

205 169 U.S. at 693.

206 169 U.S. at 662-663, citing United States v. Rhodes, 27 Fed. Case 785 (No. 16151) (C.C. Ky. 1866), and Lynch v. Clark.

207 169 U.S. at 674-675. Emphasis added. Note that the dissent in Wong Kim Ark stated that under the majority’s controlling decision, a child born to alien parents in the United States “whether of the Mongolian, Malay or other race, were eligible to the Presidency ....” 169 U.S. at 715 (Fuller, C.J. and Harlan, J. dissenting).

208 279 U.S. 644, 649 (1929).

209 231 U.S. 9, 22 (1913).

210 United States v. MacIntosh, 283 U.S. at 623-624. See also Baumgardner v. United States, 322 U.S. 665, 673 (1944), and Schneider v. Rusk, 377 U.S. 163, 165 (1963). Furthermore, as discussed previously, noted constitutional scholars have also used the term “native born” citizen as a short-hand device to mean those born in the United States, without reference to lineage or ancestry, concerning those who are eligible to the presidency. Kent, COMMENTARIES ON AMERICAN LAW, supra at 273; Story, A FAMILIAR EXPOSITION OF THE CONSTITUTION OF THE UNITED STATES, at §271, p. 167; St. George Tucker, William Blackstone, BLACKSTONE’S COMMENTARIES: WITH NOTES AND REFERENCE TO THE CONSTITUTION AND LAWS, OF THE FEDERAL GOVERNMENT OF THE UNITED STATES AND OF THE COMMONWEALTH OF VIRGINIA, Vol. I, App., at 323; 7 Gordon, Mailman, & Yale-Loehr, IMMIGRATION LAW AND PROCEDURE, at §§91.02[4][a] and §91.02[4][c].

211 Andrew Gyory, CLOSING THE GATE: RACE, POLITICS, AND THE CHINESE EXCLUSION ACT, at 1-2, 16 (UNC Press 1998).

212 22 Stat. 58, May 6, 1882. The original restrictions were to run for 10 years, but were extended another 10 years by the so-called Geary Act in 1892 (27 Stat. 25, May 5 1892), and then made permanent in 1902. The Chinese exclusion acts were repealed in 1943 (57 Stat. 600, December 13, 1943).

213 U.S. v. Low Hong, 261 F. 73, 74 (5th Cir. 1919).

214 Kwock Jan Fat v. White, 253 U.S. 454, 457 (1920): “It is not disputed that if petitioner is the son of Kwock Tuck Lee and his wife, Tom Ying Shee, he was born to them when they were permanently domiciled in the United States, is a citizen thereof, and is entitled to admission to the country. United States v. Wong Kim Ark, 169 U.S. 649. But while it is conceded that he is certainly the same person who, upon full investigation was found, in March 1915, by the then Commissioner of Immigration, to be a natural born American citizen, the claim is that the Commissioner was deceived and that petitioner is really Lew Suey Chong ....”

215 Even if Kwock Jan Fat’s father—Kwock Tuck Lee—was born in the United States, a determination for citizenship purposes would have needed to have been made as to whether the father of Kwock Tuck Lee was in the United States in the official service of the government or emperor of China. Furthermore, depending on the specific election and the particular laws of a local, state, county, or water district jurisdiction, for example, voting is not necessarily conclusive of citizenship. U.S. v. Esparza-Mendoza, 265 F.Supp.2d 1254, 1267-1268 (D.Utah 2003).

216 Kwock Jan Fat v. White, 255 F. 323 (9th Cir. 1919).

217 Kwock Jan Fat and Tom Ying Shee v. White, Appellants’ Opening Brief, at 2 (March 13, 1920): referring to Kwock Jan Fat’s mother “Tom Ying Shee, a native of China, who arrived in the United States when eight years old.” See also Brief for Respondent (April 12, 1920), and Petition for a Writ of Certiori and Brief in Support Thereof, March 5, 1919. Any assertion or argument that Kwock’s parents were both citizens would assume facts not in evidence.

218 Chang Chan v. Nagle, 268 U.S. 346, 351(1925): “The excluded wives are alien Chinese ineligible to citizenship here. Rev. Stat. 2169 (Comp. St. 4358); Act May 6, 1882, c. 126, 14, 22 Stat. 58, 61 (Comp. St. 4359)[the Chinese Exclusion Act of 1882]. Notwithstanding their marriage to citizens of the United States, they did not become citizens and remained incapable of naturalization.” This law would thus have prevented a Chinese native who married a United States citizen after May 6, 1882, from being naturalized as a U.S. citizen.

219 Kwock Jan Fat, 253 U.S. at 464.

220 In re Look Tin Sing, 21 F. 905, 906 (Cal. Cir. 1884).

221 That is, when the laws and jurisdiction of the United States are applicable to such person: “They alone are subject to the jurisdiction of the United States who are within their dominions and under the protection of their laws, and with the consequent obligation to obey them when obedience can be rendered ….” 21 F. at 906.

222 21 F. at 909. Emphasis added.

223 68 F.Supp. 773, 774 (D.Mass. 1946). The court there found that even as a natural born citizen, an individual such as relator could expatriate himself under the operation of the existing federal law by performing acts indicating the “voluntary renunciation or abandonment of nationality and allegiance,” such as voluntarily serving in a foreign army.

224 119 F.Supp. 808 (D.D.C. 1954): “It is not denied that the person who it is claimed is the plaintiff’s father is a natural born citizen of the United States, having been born in the country.”

225 181 F. Supp. 934, 935-936 (D.D.C. 1960).

226 Nwankpa v. Kissinger, 376 F.Supp. 122, 123 (D.M.D. Ala. 1974).

227 700 F.2d 1156, 1160 (7th Cir. 1982), cert. denied, 462 U.S. 1132 (1983).

228 179 F.3d 1017, 1019 (6th Cir. 1999). Emphasis added. See also United States v. Carlos Jesus Marguet-Pillado, 648 F.3d 1001, 1006 (9th Cir. 2011), agreeing with the underlying legal accuracy of proposed jury instruction defining “natural born citizen” as including one born in the United States, without reference to the citizenship of one’s parents.

229 Hollander v. McCain, 566 F.Supp.2d 63, 66 (D.N.H. 2008).

172 posted on 01/22/2024 1:11:09 AM PST by woodpusher
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To: DiogenesLamp; RightWingNutJob69
If she was born in the middle of the Ocean, would she be a natural American citizen?

I know a child born to American parents would, so I am asking if Niki would?

No. Birth on a U.S. registered ship on the high seas would not be considered birth within the United States.

https://fam.state.gov/fam/08fam/08fam030101.html

8 FAM 301.1-3 NOT INCLUDED IN THE MEANING OF "IN THE UNITED STATES"

(CT:CITZ-1; 06-27-2018)

a. Birth on U.S. Registered Vessel On High Seas or in the Exclusive Economic Zone: A U.S.-registered or documented ship on the high seas or in the exclusive economic zone is not considered to be part of the United States. Under the law of the sea, an Exclusive Economic Zone (EEZ) is a maritime zone over which a State has special rights over the exploration and use of natural resources. The EEZ extends up to 200 nautical miles from the coastal baseline. A child born on such a vessel does not acquire U.S. citizenship by reason of the place of birth (Lam Mow v. Nagle, 24 F.2d 316 (9th Cir., 1928)).


173 posted on 01/22/2024 1:29:16 AM PST by woodpusher
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To: Fury
The initial filing could discuss that evidence and depending on the court include in the initial filing. Ultimately as you note these cases were defective for a variety of reasons..

I cannot speak to the cases because I have not seen what they filed, but I am inclined to think it is the Judges that are defective, because we often have so many of those already.

174 posted on 01/22/2024 7:24:51 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: jonrick46
I would like to see that letter that Obama Sr. wrote. All of the accounts say she flew from Kenya after a meeting with the in-laws.

I believe a website called "Obamafiles" had that letter. I don't even know if it's still valid after all these years.

A quick search doesn't show it. It may still exist, but the internet is full of smokescreens to keep people from finding stuff they don't want you to see.

And yes, a lot of people have constantly repeated the claim she flew to Kenya. There is no evidence to indicate this happened, and as i've said, quite a bit of evidence to show it was very very unlikely to happen.

Who would pay for this flight? There is nobody that would pay to fly her and her worthless man back to Kenya.

175 posted on 01/22/2024 7:30:29 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: woodpusher
At no time have two citizen parents been required. The words speak only of the status of the candidate, not his or her parents.

George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson...

You didn't strike me as the sort of man who would be deceptive. I had believed you to be honest and forthright, yet here you are once again, using the presidents who were specifically exempted from the "natural born citizen" requirement to push your claim that two citizen parents weren't necessary.

I've pointed this out to you before, and therefore I cannot understand why you keep bringing them up. It feels like you are trying to deceive people by using these men to which the "natural born citizen" requirement didn't apply.

As for the last two imbeciles, we are now at a time when people don't know what the truth is, and they just accept what the idiot lawyers tell them is true.

176 posted on 01/22/2024 7:36:19 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mr Rogers
Remember, prior to the Revolution, the Founders called THEMSELVES “Natural Born Subjects”!

Under the King they were subjects. Ruling themselves in a Republic, they became "citizens."

You cannot apply the rules for forcing people to be a "subject" to citizenship.

"Citizen" is a Swiss Republic thing. It is not an English subject thing. When we threw off "subject", we threw off the foundation of law that created "subjects" and we accepted the natural law that recognizes "citizens."

177 posted on 01/22/2024 7:38:39 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mr Rogers
I gave you extensive quotes and a link to the Supreme Court cases that discussed it in detail.

Utter garbage. Just opinions based on other opinions of people who didn't know what the hell they were talking about in the first place.

Founding era documents, or nothing.

Might as well cite the Supreme court on Roe v Wade, Dred Scott, or Plessey vs Ferguson.

178 posted on 01/22/2024 7:40:34 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: Mr Rogers
So no, Vattel never said what you insist he said! Stop LYING.

Physician heal thyself!

Vattel did say that. Other translations of the same words came out exactly as people translate Vattel. People have dragged up examples where the exact same words were translated to mean the same thing as what you claim Vattel didn't say.

I could probably find it, but so could you. It's in the Congressional Globe.

179 posted on 01/22/2024 7:45:00 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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To: woodpusher
At no time have two citizen parents been required. The words speak only of the status of the candidate, not his or her parents.

At no time for those candidates who were living at the time of ratification of the Constitution. ArtII, however, provides those candidates born thereafter were required to have a form of citizenship higher than that of a mere citizen.
(No person except a natural born citizen, or a citizen of the United States, at the time of the adoption of this Constitution, shall be eligible...)

Alive at time of ratification:
George Washington
Thomas Jefferson
James Madison
James Monroe
Andrew Jackson

Not alive at time of ratification:
Chester Alan Arthur
Barack Hussein Obama II
Kamala Harris

Including, of course, all current candidates.

The rest of your post is lengthy, even after the irrelevant parts or your references or cites of "bad" law that was not appealed. I doubt, however, it contains evidence ArtII has ever been formally amended.

I will add that it seems likely that, by definition, globalists and one-worlders will enjoy your "no parental citizenship required" post.

180 posted on 01/22/2024 8:17:20 AM PST by frog in a pot (In reality it was a successful Dem coup obtained via a stolen election accepted on Jan6 by Congress.)
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