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To: CDR Kerchner

Except....as I keep pointing out and birthers refuse to accept...Vattel NEVER SAID THAT!

He referred to the natives or indigenous people. It took a bad translation (from two French words that are also English words) made in 1797 - well AFTER the US Constitution!

So no, Vattel never said what you insist he said! Stop LYING.


168 posted on 01/21/2024 4:05:09 PM PST by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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To: Mr Rogers
What a social engineer you are and language manipulator and omitter of key parts for an important and clear "natural born Citizen", the defining sentence by Vattel that begins with "Les naturels" in which he defines "Des citoyens et naturels" in the French which is what most of the Founders and Framers were using since it was the diplomatic language of the day and in which language the copies of the newest 1775 edition were delivered to Benjamin Franklin for use by the revolutionaries in the creation of the new nation and its founding documents. See more on that key sentence in French and its correct English translation and analysis below.

Vattel very, very clearly and succinctly stated in the relevant sentence what he meant by the term “natives” when he used that word in that sentence. He defined what he meant by it in the very sentence he used it in. And it meant in the latter half of the 18th Century in his treatise words what he said he meant and said it meant, not what you say he meant here in the 21st Century, or other Progressives (that change the original intent meaning of words and terms in a living Constitution agenda manner) have said he meant in some writings in the 20th or 21st centuries. Read the sentence in total. It says exactly what he meant in the very sentence he wrote it. See: http://www.kerchner.com/images/protectourliberty/vattel-section212-french+english-sidebyside.jpg



And the sentence in the original French is even clearer, especially when more properly translated to English as it was in the 1797 edition. Remember most of the founders and framers were fluent in French which was the diplomatic language of the day. And per letters by Benjamin Franklin they had several copies of the new 1775 French edition of Vattel’s treatise in hand. And Franklin said they will be in put to good use by his fellow revolutionaries and founders: https://puzo1.blogspot.com/2010/04/benjamin-franklin-in-1775-thanks.html

Read my article on that key sentence in Vol.1, Chapter 19, Section 212 of Vattel’s Law of Nations of Principles of Natural Law: https://cdrkerchner.wordpress.com/2023/04/15/my-translation-of-a-key-sentence-in-emer-de-vattels-1758-treatise-on-natural-law-in-section-212-des-citoyens-et-naturels/

CDR Charles Kerchner (Ret)
Author: Natural Born Citizen
http://www.ProtectOurLiberty.org
169 posted on 01/21/2024 7:54:35 PM PST by CDR Kerchner ( retired military officer, natural law, Vattel, presidential, eligibility, natural born Citizen )
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To: Mr Rogers
So no, Vattel never said what you insist he said! Stop LYING.

Physician heal thyself!

Vattel did say that. Other translations of the same words came out exactly as people translate Vattel. People have dragged up examples where the exact same words were translated to mean the same thing as what you claim Vattel didn't say.

I could probably find it, but so could you. It's in the Congressional Globe.

179 posted on 01/22/2024 7:45:00 AM PST by DiogenesLamp ("of parents owing allegiance to no other sovereignty.")
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