Posted on 12/31/2023 7:18:26 PM PST by NoLibZone
There had been a proclamation of insurrection at the beginning of The Civil War as well an ending proclamation.
Do insurrections require official recognition?
Man up, we are in a war.
“An insurrection is an action. “ a violent uprising against an authority or government.”
A spontaneous riot is not an insurrection except to a snowflake. On the other hand the actions by the FBI could be considered a failed attempt to take over the government by an act of sedition using falsified evidence. Trump had every reason to question the election. Half of the country sees through it. Trump is far from perfect, but infinitely better than the alternative.
You are hereby demoted to private.
CC
seems you are a well blindered pack mule/tool, doing the work for the evil agenda wanting to destroy what was once and is and could still be, a great constitution and country of people.
If you can’t tell the difference in the intent of those on Jan 6 (people voicing disagreement with obvious rigged elections and stirred up by Pelosi backed plans and provocation and not taking President Trump’s suggestions of having more capitol police on hand ahead of time and where police and federal agencies in deceptions with Pelosi etc, clearly were in the wrong at times) vs Antifa BLM riots which were truly against governments, burning, looting, etc, and considered “mostly peaceful” and just citizens using their right to demonstrate by media and politicians and going on for days/weeks, you got bigger issues.
“But it certainly was against an Authority (The Congress) and the Government. Those are facts that are not really in dispute.”
Yes, they are in dispute. Name the things that were acts against Congress. Go ahead, we’ll wait for your bullshit answer.
So, you have a book of self stick labels, "I am conservative". BFD. Maybe you should upgrade with the book of "I am ultra conservative" labels. It worked well with one of our other TDS bird brains. Give it a try.
As was one in 1776.
“An insurrection is an action. “ a violent uprising against an authority or government.”
It has nothing to do with the Insurrection Act. That and the 14th Amendment are not dependent on each other.”
I am not so sure. Using your ‘Definition’ I could make a legitimate stance that the entire Executive right now has done an insurrection. Joe Biden has used monies and people to actively and deliberately allow illegals to flood through the border violating Congressional law. No rational American would deny these facts. They would also recognize that the violence against Citizens is a direct result of that insurrection behavior. That would be proxy violence against citizens by an insurrectionists executive, using your terms.
From a historical perspective, Congress declared an insurrection during the civil war. The acts and Amendments that followed were related to that declaration. They absolutely were not independent, by time, or by causality. Riots, protests, and the like were expected by founding fathers. You can’t declare them a “insurrection” because they are over before Congress can vote to make it one.
To deprive someone of life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness, Congress needs to declare something an insurrection ahead of said punishments levied against its existence. If this is not done, every protest can be an ‘insurrection’, and the peoples Bill of Rights suppressed.
Further, if government itself is never in danger and does not believe it was in danger, it’s not an insurrection. Congress blocked extra protection for Jan 6th and opened the doors to Congress, those are not acts of the fearful. Calling something an insurrection, especially within the boundaries of the Bill of Rights, requires Congress to define it as such or you risk undermining the Constitution.
So I am going with riot, bad behavior, protest, but not ‘insurrection’ until Congress votes to declare it as such. The 14th Amendment was written and adopted werein the ‘insurrectionists’ were previously defined and represented a very real threat (invaded). That’s the standard that should be used.
The whole point for establishing the blatantly racist BLM charade was insurrection.
The basic premise for being progressive is to create insurrection.
Those are facts that are not really in dispute.
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They’re not? Why don’t you lay out what you believe the specific facts are.... and make sure you address these issues in your response....
- PDJT’s speech at the Ellipse park on January 6 where he says “I know that everyone here will soon be marching over to the Capitol building to peacefully and patriotically make your voices heard...”
- The creation of the ‘1776 Plan’... who did that? https://vigilantnews.com/post/now-there-is-evidence-the-fbi-planned-the-january-6-operation-and-planted-documents-days-earlier-that-were-later-used-against-innocent-americans/
- Who planted the pipe bombs?
- Why are the people in this video yelling ‘Antifa’.... Is it because they are delighted for the support so they can ally with them go about breaking windows and doors etc.? https://welovetrump.com/2022/10/20/unseen-jan-6th-footage-catches-antifa-red-handed/?utm_source=PTN&utm_medium=mixed&utm_campaign=PTN
- Who is Ray Epps?
- Did PDJT call for the National Guard troops to be there on January 6 only to be turned down by Pelosi? Or did that not happen?
- Can you confirm that the individuals in this video are loyal PDJT supporters? https://welovetrump.com/2021/06/10/new-video-shows-antifa-breaking-into-the-capitol-building-before-the-insurrection/ Who are they?
- Got an explanation for this released video? Who is the person they are taking the handcuffs off of? https://twitter.com/mr11now/status/1725631282460377477
Can you explain this video in the context of an ‘insurrection’? https://twitter.com/rycunni/status/1725626700459921883
- This is an insurrection? Yup... the officers are fighting for their lives! https://twitter.com/BehizyTweets/status/1725619557937631544
https://rumble.com/v3wducv-heres-a-newly-released-j6-video-that-shows-the-utter-savagery-of-the-insurr.html
- So is this just doctored video? https://twitter.com/HumanEvents/status/1726698078399308152 and https://www.thegatewaypundit.com/2023/11/now-there-is-proof-video-series-investigatej6-shows/
Good to see another 1998 FR veteran still alive and kicking.
"nonamegiven" has already suggested I move over to DU. Is that site still in existence? It was a popular foil for FR around 2008-09 but I haven't seen it mentioned recently.
I survived as chairman of the 2007 Rudy Giuliani FR caucus (and does anyone now doubt he would have crushed "Obama"?), not quite ready to leave yet.
“The whole point for establishing the blatantly racist BLM charade was insurrection.
The basic premise for being progressive is to create insurrection.”
I will not disagree. However, Congress didn’t label it as such. In fact Congress people assisted the violent protests and attacks on Government during BLM, but so what?
My point is that Congress must declare and vote insurrection, to use the powers of Government against it.
It wasn’t a riot. BLM the summer previous was a riot. There were no cop cars set on fire on January 6. There were no bricks through windows. Capitol cops waved the people in. Someone put their feet on Pelosi’s desk. Big woop.
The Soc-Dem party acts like its idols. Stalin called anything he did not like or disagree with “Facist”.
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