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Letters to the Editor: Why calls to restore discipline in the classroom are troubling
LA Times ^ | Aug 12, 2023

Posted on 08/12/2023 7:10:07 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

To the editor: A letter to the editor written by an educator of more than 30 years suggested three strategies to attract young people to the teaching profession. As a fellow educator of more than 30 years, I was horrified.

The writer's first suggestion was to remove the one year of graduate education required to obtain a teaching credential by folding it into a bachelor’s degree. Finland, Germany and other European countries require a master's to teach. Educators need more, not less, training.

The second suggestion was to restore authority and order to classrooms. Studies show that authority and order tend to fall heaviest on students of color and low-income and disabled students. Again: Teachers require more training, not ratcheting up punishment.

I do agree with the writer's third point: Pay teachers more.

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TOPICS: Chit/Chat; Education; Society
KEYWORDS: discipline; education; publiceducation; publicschools; teachers; teaching
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My list of things to improve teaching and discipline:

1. Get rid of teacher's unions

2. Get back to basics of reading, writing and arithmetic. Get rid of DEI, and other indoctrination.

3. Cut back on the overhead.

4. Enforce testing standards, have a graduation exam.

5. Allow tax dollars to used for school choice.

1 posted on 08/12/2023 7:10:07 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Plank #10 of the Communist Manifesto: Free education for all children in government schools.

http://laissez-fairerepublic.com/TenPlanks.html


2 posted on 08/12/2023 7:12:55 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum (The worst thing about censorship is ████ █ ██████ ███████ ███ ██████ ██ ████████. FJB.)
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Studies show that authority and order tend to fall heaviest on students of color and low-income and disabled students

And therein is the elephant in the room.

3 posted on 08/12/2023 7:15:33 AM PDT by super7man (Madam Defarge, knitting, knitting, always knitting.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

“Studies show that authority and order tend to fall heaviest on students of color and low-income and disabled students.”

Those are the ones who often need “discipline” the most. Not corporal discipline, but self discipline...learned.


4 posted on 08/12/2023 7:15:44 AM PDT by goodnesswins ( We pretend to vote and they pretend to count the votes.)
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To: super7man
And therein is the elephant in the room.

Sister Mary Elephant?

5 posted on 08/12/2023 7:17:15 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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Studies show that authority and order tend to fall heaviest on students of color

Yes.

He who says "A", says "B".

6 posted on 08/12/2023 7:18:08 AM PDT by Jim Noble (He who saves the nation breaks no law)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Add #6. Permanently expel disruptive students from public education.


7 posted on 08/12/2023 7:20:56 AM PDT by Hiddigeigei ("Talk sense to a fool and he calls you foolish," said Dionysus - Euripides)
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To: super7man

Is that an African elephant or an Asian elephant? Perhaps there are two elephants in the room.


8 posted on 08/12/2023 7:22:30 AM PDT by Blurb2350 (posted from my 1500-watt blow dryer)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin
Sister Mary Elephant?

I went to a Catholic grade school & a Jesuit run high school. Both all white and middle class. I can assure you Sister Mary Ruler and Father Take No Crap didn't care one bit what your socioeconomic background was when you messed up and got called to the mast. If your parents found out it got worse.

9 posted on 08/12/2023 7:25:09 AM PDT by Bounced2X (Boomer - I survived childhood with no bike helmet.)
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
The writer's first suggestion was to remove the one year of graduate education required to obtain a teaching credential by folding it into a bachelor’s degree. Finland, Germany and other European countries require a master's to teach. Educators need more, not less, training.

Nonsense! The original bachelor's degree was a license to be an apprentice teacher. The master's degree was not granted after more course work but after successfully completing a number of years of teaching (see the present Oxford and Cambridge MA degrees). The present education degrees developed out of the normal schools which granted a teaching degree after two years of eduction. This was as an alternative to the four years needed for a BA. If someone cannot teach after four years of college, either they should not be in the classroom or the college does not know how to teach its students.

10 posted on 08/12/2023 7:26:01 AM PDT by Petrosius
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To: Bounced2X

Perhaps Cheech and Chong had similar memories.


11 posted on 08/12/2023 7:27:27 AM PDT by HartleyMBaldwin
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

Add:

Allow kids to be paddled.

And:

Throw repeat offenders out for 2 weeks, then 2 months, then permanently.

Your list with my minor mods would solve 90% of our education problems and greatly improve teacher morale.


12 posted on 08/12/2023 7:27:45 AM PDT by Mr Rogers (We're a nation of feelings, not thoughts.)
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6. Only hire 300 pound assistant principles named Mr. Bubba.


13 posted on 08/12/2023 7:29:12 AM PDT by armourenthusiast (I capitalize everything related to South)
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Close the schools. If parents and kids do not value education then do not force taxpayers to pay for it. Let the idiots of the world be the servants of the educated. Let them be punished when they become disobedient.


14 posted on 08/12/2023 7:30:02 AM PDT by CodeToad (No Arm up! They have!)
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I’ve been listening to teachers complain about their salary for 30 years and it’s tiresome. The national median teacher’s pay in the US is $66,397, compared with a national median income of $54,132. And that’s with a 3 month vacation.


15 posted on 08/12/2023 7:34:39 AM PDT by fluffy
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To: CodeToad

Better yet do away with public education completely. Each person pays for their own kid’s education, then everyone will have their own skin in the game, and if they don’t care it is on them.


16 posted on 08/12/2023 7:34:57 AM PDT by LambSlave
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

None of this is new. Hall monitors at my high school were the city PD


17 posted on 08/12/2023 7:36:50 AM PDT by Nifster ( I see puppy dogs in the clouds )
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To: Bounced2X

” If your parents found out it got worse.”

The source of the ‘elephant in the room’ - when the angry parents show up, as though their spawn is part of their gang instead of their child.


18 posted on 08/12/2023 7:41:49 AM PDT by larrytown (A Cadet will not lie, cheat, steal, or tolerate those who do. Then they graduate...)
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To: HartleyMBaldwin

Class?


19 posted on 08/12/2023 7:45:24 AM PDT by Prospero (Lex est rex)
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To: Prospero
Class?

SHUT UP!


Thank you!
20 posted on 08/12/2023 7:47:38 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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