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‘No way I’m going back in the office’: Farmers Insurance told workers they’d be WFH permanently. Now they need to come in 3 days a week
MSN ^ | 28 June 2023 | Braden Bjella

Posted on 06/28/2023 11:25:15 AM PDT by Vigilanteman

The return to in-office work has not gone well. As detailed by Entrepreneur, companies that have forced workers back into the office are currently facing a litany of issues ranging from employee dissatisfaction to difficulty hiring.

“Unispace finds that nearly half (42%) of companies that mandated office returns witnessed a higher level of employee attrition than they had anticipated,” writes author Gleb Tsipursky. “And almost a third (29%) of companies enforcing office returns are struggling with recruitment.”

For the companies who are considering returning to the office, the outlook isn’t great.

“According to the same Greenhouse report, a staggering 76% of employees stand ready to jump ship if their companies decide to pull the plug on flexible work schedules,” Tsipursky details. “Moreover, employees from historically underrepresented groups are 22% more likely to consider other options if flexibility goes out the window.”

Even though the data shows that ending remote work will bring issues for companies, that hasn’t stopped several major companies from trying. One such company is Farmers, which captured headlines and sparked reactions across the internet after reversing its remote work policy and forcing employees to come into the office 3 days a week.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Local News; Travel
KEYWORDS: change; cities; office; wfh
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To: Vigilanteman

How many workers have side gigs that are bringing in substantial income? Can’t work those if you go into an office.

How long does it really take to do an 8-hour office job? My guess is no more than 3-4 hours; if that.


21 posted on 06/28/2023 11:56:00 AM PDT by WASCWatch ( WASC)
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To: Augie

This thread will bring out the FR jackboots.


The out-of-touch “back in my day...” types.

My department’s productivity has skyrocketed since telecommuting became the norm.

1,500 employees living in 48 of the 50 states. 3 physical offices.

Our facilities costs are a third of what they were pre-covid. Let the cities die.


22 posted on 06/28/2023 11:56:18 AM PDT by ConservativeWarrior (Fall down seven times, stand up eight. - Japanese proverb)
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To: Reno89519
Sorry, deal with it. If workers won’t go back to the office when requested, they should be replaced.

Ha ha ha. There is no "back to the office" for people who live so far away from the office because they're in different states.

Employers know they're lucky to get whomever they can and only foolish ones, (or ones like Twitter that had to weed out the government paid censors) are renewing their office leases. Although even Twitter is making the news for failing to pay their rent in their San Francisco and Boulder offices.

As the author points out, their boss who had the moronic idea to force the issue is already leaving the company by next week. It's as though he was hired to sabotage the company by its competitors.

From the article: "...almost a third (29%) of companies enforcing office returns are struggling with recruitment."

Just one division in a small cap company I work with decided to force employees back to the office three days a week. The wave of immediate retirements was bad enough but then the resignations hit and they now have dozens of unfilled positions for professional staff. They're desperately hosting job fairs and begging remaining staff to "use their social media presence" to recruit new hires. Their bailout rate exceeds their hiring rate. One group of twelve had five departures, was able to hire one replacement, but even that replacement left before replacement number two was hired (almost 12 months apart).

More and more companies I deal with are filling positions with staff that have five years of experience where their predecessors started in the same position with 12-15 years of experience.

I never thought I'd see it but I work with companies that are willing to hire part-time directors, where the new hire is willing to take the job but the only way they'd accept the salary offered is to work as few as three days a week. The company can't offer more because they're desperately offering hiring bonuses anywhere they can.

23 posted on 06/28/2023 11:56:49 AM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: ClearCase_guy

It’s also about whether or not the employee is actually working. Some do well in the at-home environment while others treat it like a welfare payment as they strive to do as little as possible.

There’s also the aspect of being part of a “team”. And there is some collaboration that occasionally needs to take place.

My opinion, as one that had to go to work throughout the plandemic, is that I should receive extra pay over and above the stay-at-home workers to cover the expense of travel time and the use of a vehicle. Wear and tear on the car, insurance, fuel, maintenance, and the mental anguish associated with dealing with other buttheads on the road.


24 posted on 06/28/2023 11:57:35 AM PDT by meyer (FBI = KGB for the DNC; IRS = Gestapo)
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To: dead; Vigilanteman; Hambone 1934

Insurance companies have very large portfolios of Real Estate they own and manage, in addition to those they insure.


25 posted on 06/28/2023 11:57:42 AM PDT by Vendome (I've Gotta Be Me https://youtu.be/wH-pk2vZG2M)
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To: cgbg

Well your mileage may vary. In the software company I work at we’ve come up with multiple feature just because people are in the same room to join discussions. Not to mention plowing through questions more easily when people can sit together and look at the same thing.

Any time the work involves multiple skill sets in the office is better.


26 posted on 06/28/2023 11:58:37 AM PDT by discostu (like a dog being shown a card trick)
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To: kiryandil

“The 1950s called.
It wants you back.”

That would be a bad thing?


27 posted on 06/28/2023 12:00:16 PM PDT by A strike ("The worse, the better."- Lenin (& Schwab & Soros)
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To: A strike

28 posted on 06/28/2023 12:03:10 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: plain talk

We live in a pathetic society worthy of being taken over by others - which if you travel around as much as I do you see that is happening everywhere.

This entire work from home farce was a psy-op to make our already lazy society even more lazy.


29 posted on 06/28/2023 12:08:45 PM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Roman_War_Criminal
This entire work from home farce was a psy-op to make our already lazy society even more lazy.

Yep, 10years ago we got rid of the tie, then 5 years ago the suit, now it's pajamas. Too lazy to even get dressed.

30 posted on 06/28/2023 12:10:29 PM PDT by 1Old Pro
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To: meyer
Wear and tear on the car, insurance, fuel, maintenance, and the mental anguish associated with dealing with other buttheads on the road.

You also run the risk of being injured or killed on the commute by some moron on the road.

31 posted on 06/28/2023 12:12:09 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: POWG
“Let them pretend to work somewhere else.”

- Elon Musk

Elon Musk may be an @$$hole but he's correct. Productivity is way down since people WFH. Certain jobs such as code monkeys, you might get away with it from WFH. But everyone else needs to be back in the office.

It's better for the employee to WFH, I get it. So I don't blame them for the resistance.

32 posted on 06/28/2023 12:15:28 PM PDT by MinorityRepublican
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To: Vigilanteman
I've kept about 35,000 miles off of my truck since my company sent us home in March of 2020.

I like working from home, but I'm way ahead of the game in gas money and wear & tear on my truck.

I'm OK going back in. They just don't have the office space anymore. So I sit in a corner of my doomsday bunker all day.

33 posted on 06/28/2023 12:15:38 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: Vigilanteman

Employers have the right to set the rules. Employees have the right to react. Third parties have no valid role to play.


34 posted on 06/28/2023 12:29:24 PM PDT by ChessExpert (Required for informed consent: "We have a new, experimental vaccine.")
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To: cgbg

All of this depends how someone’s job is structured.

If your job is structured so that you do all your work online,and don’t need to interact in person with anyone in person, then you can work anywhere.

If your job is structured so that personal collaboration with others is needed to accomplish the tasks, then work from home doesn’t work so well.

And then, some bosses feel they have better control if people are actually in the office. Then it also depends what production or output determines productivity.


35 posted on 06/28/2023 12:37:07 PM PDT by Dilbert San Diego
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To: meyer

I told my boss that those who worked from home basically got a defacto pay raise due to the lower cost of employment. He didn’t agree.


36 posted on 06/28/2023 12:39:41 PM PDT by subterfuge (I'm a pure-blood!)
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To: ClearCase_guy

“It’s not so much about getting warm bodies into the office.”

I wish I knew. I get to work at home one day a week. I do a job that can be tracked electronically, and there’s no great reason why I need to be at the office.

A plus is that it reduces traffic and commute cost and time spent.

So for me coming to work is not what it used to be 10 years ago. You’re more isolated when you don’t come to work.


37 posted on 06/28/2023 12:45:44 PM PDT by cymbeline
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To: ConservativeWarrior

Don’t know about jackboots but it certainly will bring out silly people who think there is a one-size-fits-all solution. Remote work is nothing new, there are some situations where it makes perfect sense and others where it makes no sense at all.


38 posted on 06/28/2023 12:46:03 PM PDT by bigbob (Q)
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To: Vigilanteman
Anyone hearing words like permanently, etc, from a boss, politicians need to always include an asterisk.

If you like your doctor...
No new taxes...
Take the shot, you'll be protected for life...

Even Will Stockdale lost his post as Permanent Latrine Orderly, a job he loved and took seriously.


39 posted on 06/28/2023 1:05:45 PM PDT by Zack Attack
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To: Augie

” tyranny in the workplace.”

lol, the employer telling you where they want you to work is ‘tyranny’...sounds like a typical liberal exaggeration.

No employer can force you to go back to the office - but they certainly can decide where and when you work, and employees get to decide if they want the job or not.


40 posted on 06/28/2023 1:15:49 PM PDT by qwerty1234
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