Posted on 05/23/2023 11:55:33 AM PDT by ransomnote
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When compared with U.S. assistance to other top recipients, both in recent years and in decades past, the extraordinary scale of this aid comes into view.
However, the magnitude of U.S. aid to Ukraine might seem less remarkable in comparison to what the Pentagon is budgeted each year, or what the Treasury was authorized (via the Troubled Asset Relief Fund) to bail out Wall Street banks, auto companies, and other sectors of the economy during the U.S. financial crisis.
When compared with the critical support to Ukraine from other countries, the size of U.S. aid stands out.
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The cost of US involvement in NATO's proxy war in the Ukraine's is actually far higher because our military has been providing extensive support in training since 2015 and our military costs are not included in the data above. For example, once our CIA worked with others in NATO to overthrow the Ukraine in 2014, they began building an army there for the purpose of provoking the current war in order to force regime change in Russia. Too bad the Council on Foreign Relations didn't include NATO's expenditures in these charts.
Here's an example of US military spending not in the charts above.
"Through the Joint Multinational Training Group-Ukraine, established in 2015, the U.S. Army and National Guard, together with military trainers from U.S. allies, provided training, mentoring, and doctrinal assistance to the UAF before the war. This training mission was suspended at the outset of Russia’s invasion. In April 2022, DOD announced it would resume training Ukrainian personnel, outside Ukraine, both to operate weapon systems and at the collective unit level. Separately, U.S. Special Operations Forces have trained and advised Ukrainian special forces."I noticed that the charts at the top of the thread sometimes quote 2021 data when numbers for 2022 and 2023 are available. I checked one instance wherein the CFR quoted US interest on debt from 2021 to compare with more recent data. On a hunch, I checked and found that US spending on debt is at a historic high. Thanks, Brandon.
Interest Costs on the National Debt Are on Track to Reach a Record High
Since the Ukraine has Biden's secrets, Pentagon biowarfare labs, DNC election theft technology and is Deep State Headquarters, Brandon will give them all our money.
Plus, I believe much of that aid never leaves the US, but is handed around to Schumer, Pelosi, DNC (election theft) and then goes overseas to fellow Deep Staters. Colonel Macgregor (ret.) has noted that the weapons we provide the Ukraine are sometimes sold to organizations like ISIS. 'Foreign aid' for fabricated wars is the gift that keeps on giving.
79b is wrong it’s 110b or more. And the public is never given the total.
It depends!
If the Department of Defense is doing the math, we might want to double- and even triple-check their numbers!!
Heck, we might want to check those numbers 3 BILLION times!
there. fixed it.
“And the public is never given the total.”
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They only tell us what they want us to know.
Foreign Aid to Ukraine (like other countries) is understated in money thrown away. Foreign aid should be added to the cost to us in training foreign countries soldiers, the cost for war exercises (we are currently moving troops into Poland, Romania, Lithuania, etc) the added costs of putting us into a war footing which we are.
A good example is Afghanistan and Iraq, that twenty year war cost us an additional 1.5 trillion dollars on top of what we gave in aid.
Biden’s Ukie war will most likely be the straw that broke the camels back- this war destroyed the petro dollar, destroyed US hegemony, and cost millions plus in disrupted trade, supply disruptions and inflation.
Carry on war cheerleaders, you lead us into destruction in so, so many ways.
If the Council on Foreign Relations is saying it, they are definitely stretching the truth - so double the amount.
You are also correct - much of this “aid” is just going to existing bloated Fed.gov programs, and the cronies who benefit from them.
It would be more interesting to see how much of that ends up in the Bidens’ pockets.
We’re fast becoming a global pariah.
Either way it’s wrong to do this with our money.
I want a refund to the US and have them apply it to a quick solution to the debt ceiling problem. Along with a reduction in wasteful spending.
What a dreamer I am.
10% for the Big Guy.
At 100 billion, that’s like 3k each for the poorest Americans.
Imagine if each community good give a grant of that much to people they identify as really needing it and who would put it to a good use.
"For example, once our CIA worked with others in NATO to overthrow the Ukraine in 2014, they began building an army there for the purpose of provoking the current war in order to force regime change in Russia."
is nonsense. The Obama regime indirectly assisted the Ukrainians to get rid of Putin's puppet Yanukovych, but didn't lift a finger to help Ukraine when Russia invaded in 2014. That hardly sounds like they were trying to provoke a war, does it? And the military training and small supply of weaponry given since 2014 up to 2022 would be a rounding error in the Pentagon budget.
The real problem with the US government has been that it completely ignored Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union and assumed like Germany that economic ties would be sufficient to restrain Russian behavior. Putin thought he could restore Russia as a peer great power, use Germany to break NATO, and reestablish a Russian sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. But the current war shows that was simply a fantasy.
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled How Much Aid Has the U.S. Sent Ukraine? Here Are Six Charts., pierrem15 wrote: This: "For example, once our CIA worked with others in NATO to overthrow the Ukraine in 2014, they began building an army there for the purpose of provoking the current war in order to force regime change in Russia."
is nonsense. The Obama regime indirectly assisted the Ukrainians to get rid of Putin's puppet Yanukovych, but didn't lift a finger to help Ukraine when Russia invaded in 2014. That hardly sounds like they were trying to provoke a war, does it? And the military training and small supply of weaponry given since 2014 up to 2022 would be a rounding error in the Pentagon budget.
The real problem with the US government has been that it completely ignored Russia after the collapse of the Soviet Union and assumed like Germany that economic ties would be sufficient to restrain Russian behavior. Putin thought he could restore Russia as a peer great power, use Germany to break NATO, and reestablish a Russian sphere of influence in Eastern Europe. But the current war shows that was simply a fantasy.
The CIA's Nuland was caught on a hot mic making statements indicating the CIA helped bring about the coup. Recently there was an article saying this began with Hillary, when she couldn't get cooperation from the head of the Ukraine in 2010. The wheels started turning resulting in a CIA backed regime change in 2014, according to Nuland herself, and the immediate build up of an army.
https://crsreports.congress.gov
Updated February 27, 2023
U.S. Security Assistance to Ukraine"Through the Joint Multinational Training Group-Ukraine,
established in 2015, the U.S. Army and National Guard,
together with military trainers from U.S. allies, provided
training, mentoring, and doctrinal assistance to the UAF
before the war. "https://crsreports.congress.gov/product/pdf/IF/IF12040
Then Merkel admitted that the only reason they agreed to MINSK II was to buy time to build the Ukraine's army. The US would object to CHina parking military assets on our border and so, Russia warned against doing so on his border. NATO wants to swap Putin for another puppet, like Zelensky, and this was their strategy for doing so.
As for your 'rounding error' remark - do you remember that Biden/Schumer/Pelosi and their relatives all 'do business' in the Ukraine (Money Laundering). They don't report to us where their graft goes - I'm sure the US paid the bulk of training and arming expenses, given that NATO never pays their fair share.
Forget it Jake, it’s Qtardtown.
Sounds like the Council on Foreign Relations has an agenda. They are intentionally understating our involvement. We have to borrow the money to send to Ukraine. It is closer to $200 billion.
I think I saw something posted to FR a few weeks ago that said $300 million. They hide the true expense.
For example, I think the military ‘gives’ them weapons but then the military is repaid to replace those weapons - the second number is not direct aid to the Ukraine so it’s not counted?
The Council for Foreign Relations is deep state all the way so they are understating costs and ‘justifying’ etc.
Nor provided any documentation where that money was used.
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