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Bakhmut in Russian Hands, Now What? - Col Doug Macgregor VIDEO—26 min
YouTube ^ | 5/22/2023 | Napolitano

Posted on 05/22/2023 8:48:31 AM PDT by Phoenix8

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TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: may25; propaganda; rtnews; russiantroll; ukrainerussiawar
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To: Alter Kaker

A question is which country’s military has been completely degraded in the world’s view and assessment since January 2022, and which has been greatly elevated in world view and assessment.

In January of 2022 Russia’s military was thought to be modernized, well-equipped, well-trained, manned with dedicated volunteers, and 2nd only to the United States.


21 posted on 05/22/2023 11:01:39 AM PDT by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: Williams

Lol. And the MSM isn’t? You keyboard warriors are always posting from sources that have been roundly and consistently laughed at on the FR for years. We will continue to laugh.


22 posted on 05/22/2023 11:06:55 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Phoenix8

Russian rebels take three towns in Belgorod?


23 posted on 05/22/2023 11:13:22 AM PDT by MalPearce ("You see, but you do not observe". https://www.thefabulous.co/s/2uHEJdj)
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To: Seruzawa

Anti war leftists have been roundly mocked on free Republic for years. I suggest you return to the straight and narrow.

As for the war, whether or not one side or another or the media slants the story there is a real war and real actions by real armies and by reading various sources 1 can get a sense of what’s going on.

McGregor is a despicable propagandist and that is obvious from his record of lies and mistakes repeatedly throughout the entire war.

The also says that we cannot compete with Russia so we should not attempt to improve our armed forces, and he advocates for Germany to abandon nato and divide Eastern Europe between Germany and Russia. In other words, a repeat of Hitler and Stalin in World War II.

He sold out to the Russians long ago and it’s obvious. Sorry if you don’t see that reality. Anyone that calls for Germany to abandon nato and join with Russia is not on the right side.


24 posted on 05/22/2023 11:14:02 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Williams

Has nothing to do with who is on what side. Of course Russia is wrong for invading the Ukraine. But there’s not one source that is any better than MacGregor for accuracy. All that’s posted here is from Russian, Uke and CIA or MI6 stooges. Or any combination thereof May as well read fairy tales.

All the breathless war analysis on this site is as much eyewash as the worthless sources.


25 posted on 05/22/2023 11:24:27 AM PDT by Seruzawa ("The Political left is the Garden of Eden of incompetence" - Marx the Smarter (Groucho))
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To: Robert DeLong

Kindly stay on topic. If you wish to discuss the US southern border please ping me when you post something about it and I’d be happy to join in.

But this topic is not about the US southern border, the Dodger’s chances for the Series this year, or the price of tea on China.


26 posted on 05/22/2023 11:34:58 AM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: Seruzawa

That’s a joke. As many have consistently pointed out,MacGregor has been WRONG every time from the beginning of the war.

Which part of that don’t you recognize?

And yeah someone that wants to divide Europe between Germany and Russia, is our enemy.


27 posted on 05/22/2023 11:35:43 AM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Robert DeLong

Illegals invading the USA is bad

Russians invading Ukraine is bad.

NoviaRussia meet NoviaMexico.


28 posted on 05/22/2023 11:59:44 AM PDT by dominusobiscum (A Christians true heart can be revealed by how they treat others anonymously on discussion forums.)
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To: Williams

McGregor,LJohnson,and Ritter. The three stooges of Russian propaganda


29 posted on 05/22/2023 12:01:21 PM PDT by dominusobiscum (A Christians true heart can be revealed by how they treat others anonymously on discussion forums.)
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To: MeganC
You are incapable of seeing the parallels.

One invasion has greater ramifications upon the entire world, while the other has basically zero impact upon the world.

You are penny wise and pound foolish.

The topics are also connected. You are just incapable of seeing the connection. That's because you wear blinders that keep you focused upon that which is unimportant, while missing the bigger picture that you fail to see because of your blinders.

30 posted on 05/22/2023 12:34:51 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Robert DeLong

They are 2 Separate issues Biden is not going to do anything on the Southern border except screw you over.
Regarding the Ukraine war he was going to abandon that as well until Congress pushed him to start to take action.
If you believe in the ultimate reality where Biden has a secret plan to launch World War 3 against Russia, no one can really reason with you.
Biden originally said we would not do anything to fight Russia and he offered Zelensky an air lift out of Kiev to let the country fall.


31 posted on 05/22/2023 12:42:34 PM PDT by Williams (Stop Tolerating The Intolerant)
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To: Robert DeLong

No, you’re just trying to distract from the topic. Please stay on topic.


32 posted on 05/22/2023 1:21:02 PM PDT by MeganC (There is nothing feminine about feminism. )
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To: dominusobiscum
Where are you from newbie? Welcome to FR. Intelligent discussion is always welcome, as far as I am concerned.

Both are bad.

One invasion has bigger consequences upon the entire world, one does not.

Both invasions are the fault of their leaders.

One leader ignores the invasion of the nation he leads, while he also pays for everything to stop the invasion of the other nation while also supporting the people, including pensions, of the other nation being invaded.

Both invasions are destroying the nations being invaded.

No one is helping the other nation being invaded. Indeed, that nation's adversaries are also funding the invasion of that one nation.

Since there is zero effort being expended to stop the invasion of one nation. When it finally falls, the entire world falls into tyrannical control.

The entire world is then controlled by criminals who will dictate who lives, who dies. Those who live, and are not part of the criminal elite class, will be forbidden to own anything, and will be at the mercy of those who own them, treating them as their slaves, because that is what they will be.

Having a heart is a good thing, but to allow your heart to dominate and keep you from exercising critical thinking, then you become part of the problem assisting with the downfall.

Sadly, you are part of the problem. What we really need are people with solutions.

Sorry if you disagree with people of reason, while choosing instead to only listen to people who mistakenly believe they are espousing kindness. In reality, you are helping no one. Instead, you are destroying people far beyond those you think you are saving.

Sadly, you cannot even see the destruction you are causing, but you soon will see it. Because people are not waking up to the realities at all. By the time they do, the opportunity to change the course will have passed by.

Being Christian, you & I can only save ourselves at this point in time if we remain separate rather than united.

Many will die, but we out number them, and trust me, they fear that reality. That's why they keep trying to disarm us. It's also why they get troubled people to commit mass murders. To convince those who don't use critical thinking skills to assist the in their disarmament campaign.

Our leaders have conspired, with others, to rob us blind while they destroy our nation.

We are 31 trillion dollars in debt, and the end of the road has come preventing the further kicking of the can down the proverbial road.

Wake up, you are assisting evil to carry out their evil plans.

33 posted on 05/22/2023 1:33:41 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Alter Kaker

yes, that is the one. It is always over with Mc.


34 posted on 05/22/2023 1:40:56 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: Robert DeLong

Their true object was to take Ukraine and topple the government. They failed.


35 posted on 05/22/2023 1:42:27 PM PDT by Pikachu_Dad ("the media are selling you a line of soap)
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To: thinden

I just watched it. Truthful, and depressing. Trump needs to come back before this sh** gets out of hand and more US money and mil equipment (if there is any left) gets poured into the rathole; or worse, the US mil gets directly involved in this sh**storm.


36 posted on 05/22/2023 1:55:17 PM PDT by little jeremiah (Never worry about anything. Worry never solved any problem or moved any stone.)
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To: Pikachu_Dad
Prove it.

You don't know what the intentions were anymore than do I.

But logic tells me, if that was the intention, they would have come in much harder than they did, and it wouldn't have been called a Special Operation either.

Our country is being toppled too, and you are worried about their country. Sorry, I don't share your concern for Ukraine.

I do, however, feel sorry for the Ukrainian people. That's why I want a diplomatic solution. Then the people can take care of dealing with Zelenskyy, and hang him in the public square for what he has done to their country.

37 posted on 05/22/2023 1:58:37 PM PDT by Robert DeLong
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To: Phoenix8

Of course the western media has a problem with Russia taking Bakhmut.

Remember those Wagner’s from the prisions with shovels? How is it that they have defeated Ukraine’s modern professional army?

The Uke’s and the USA/NATO were not prepared for Russian battle tactics beginning in December 2022. American understands how to conduct an air war with air superiority. Russia said to Ukraine, come to papaw so we can eliminate your forces piecemeal attacking entrenched defenders. The USA is itching to get F16s into Poland so they can fly them into Ukraine against the Russians. The F16 requires a secure well maintained runaways in order to take off and this something that Russia will not allow the Ukrainians to use. Everyone rooting for Uke F16’s is actually rooting for F16s flow and based from non-Ukrainian military airfields. Biden may yet again find the Russian’s rather than fight the American designed battlefield in Ukraine, find the Russian’s develop tactics to destroy those F16s without having to destroy NATO airfields.

Russia will continue to grind out slow victories at the expense of Uke blood and NATO treasure while preserving the bulk of Russian lives and with the Russian military intact.

Russia is producing over 1500 mondern main battle tanks a year at present, together with upgrading older platforms with new tank tubes and armor. The longer this war goes on, the more NATO and the West are exposed for trying to fight a war in Ukraine longterm with an industrial base designed to fight a two week war.

Obama set this in motion. Biden pushed the redlines. Russia has answered by defeating the tactics NATO and USA have worked on since 2008.


38 posted on 05/22/2023 4:00:12 PM PDT by Jumper ( )
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To: dominusobiscum
You couldn't come close to holding your own in a discussion with any of them.

You're hear solely to promote the lies of the Biden regime and neocons that did everything they could to make this proxy war with Russia happen. It has been disaster for Ukraine and harmed the quality of life for the those in this country and Europe.

39 posted on 05/22/2023 11:08:13 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: dominusobiscum
So, it must bother you that Don Jr. just interviewed Col. Macgregor and the he's been an advisor to Trump.

Well, either get on the Trump train or get on the tracks so it can squash your neocon carcass.

40 posted on 05/22/2023 11:09:48 PM PDT by Kazan
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