CHit-Chat | Help requested. I heard on a radio news spot that the Law that made Trumps conviction possible today is a brand new NY state law.

05/09/2023 | Self

[know.your.why]

I have done a quick internet search engine dig and didn't get what I was hoping for. Ok...I know that I heard on the radio today that the Law that made it possible for a jury to award E. Jean Carroll todays win was a brand new law and only been on the books for less than a year. What that means is...they created this new law JUST so they could get trump. I need to find what law was used as the basis for ruling against trump today. Can some nice FReeper please help me? Thanks!

[know.your.why]

Freep /on

[blueunicorn6]

We are not a nation of laws.

We are a nation of Democrat lawyers.

[firebrand]

It doesn’t apply.

[Responsibility2nd]

Seems like this was a typical civil suit.

[Sarcazmo]

Yeah, I think it’s new and expires after a year.

So it sounds to me like the State of New York made a law just so a presidential candidate could be targeted.

[know.your.why]

Seems like this was a typical civil suit.

Its anything but that. They could not get trump with the laws that have existed for however long so what do they do? They make a law that supports their agenda. I really need to get the skinny on what this new law is!!!

[JJBookman]

“No ex post facto laws” We’ll see what happens next.

[E. Pluribus Unum]

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/09/new-york-jury-finds-trump-not-guilty-of-rape-but-guilty-of-defaming-his-accuser-by-denying-it/

...Keep in mind that New York wrote a new law specifically to provide E Jean Carroll a pathway to file a lawsuit over the allegation that something might have happened sometime in the past, though the accuser could not identify what year President Trump assaulted her. The accuser, a woman of notoriously odd behavior and remarkably unstable mindset, was funded by billionaire LinkedIn founder and very vocal Trump critic, Reid Hoffman.

New York created the new law for Ms. Carroll, Reid Hoffman paid for the legal costs, and Ms. Carroll made her sketchy accusations of something, from sometime, that wasn’t certain to have happened. There were no witnesses to the claimed events, there was no evidence the event took place, there was nothing to indicate Ms. Carroll or Mr. Trump were even in the same place at the same time...

[Bratch]

New York Jury Finds Trump Not Guilty of Rape, But Guilty of Defaming His Accuser by Denying It

May 9, 2023 | Sundance | 278 Comments

The nature of our politically corrupt justice system takes on new clarity today as a jury in New York City decided President Trump did not rape E. Jean Carroll, the crazy moonbat funded by political operatives, but President Trump did defame her in his denial of the accusation.  Thus, the jury awards damages to the false accuser, while finding the accused not guilty.

Presumably the position of the jury was that something ‘may have happened‘ because this was not a criminal trial outcome which would be based on “beyond a reasonable doubt” as the standard.  Instead, this verdict was based on the possibility that something ‘may have happened,’ albeit not proven, and President Donald Trump was defamatory toward the accuser in his strong denials of the accusation.

The jury awarded $2million in compensatory damages and $20,000 in punitive damages for the battery allegation. The jury awarded $1 million in compensatory damages for the defamation and $1.7million for the repair of her reputation. They awarded another $280,000 in punitive damages for the defamation. (read more)

Keep in mind that New York wrote a new law specifically to provide E Jean Carroll a pathway to file a lawsuit over the allegation that something might have happened sometime in the past, though the accuser could not identify what year President Trump assaulted her.  The accuser, a woman of notoriously odd behavior and remarkably unstable mindset, was funded by billionaire LinkedIn founder and very vocal Trump critic, Reid Hoffman.

New York created the new law for Ms. Carroll, Reid Hoffman paid for the legal costs, and Ms. Carroll made her sketchy accusations of something, from sometime, that wasn’t certain to have happened.  There were no witnesses to the claimed events, there was no evidence the event took place, there was nothing to indicate Ms. Carroll or Mr. Trump were even in the same place at the same time.

However, the judge in the case permitted the presentation of possibility, then blocked President Trump from speaking about the case, and then instructed the jury to consider that Ms Carroll’s claims may have indeed taken place, at some point – although no evidence exists and no one knows when, not even Ms Carroll.

In any other situation this case would have been thrown out of court for being ridiculous. However, in the modern era where justice is metered by regional public opinion that is based on Lawfare and political motivation, we get this situation.   President Trump responded below:

[one guy in new jersey]

IIRC, the changed aspect of the law relates to the priestly sex abuse scandal, but had broader applicability, hence E. Jean’s lawsuit.

[know.your.why]

FOUND IT!!!!

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-signs-adult-survivors-act

[Grampa Dave]

New York Jury Finds Trump Not Guilty of Rape, But Guilty of Defaming His Accuser by Denying It!

The Last Refuge ^ | Tuesday, 09 May 2023 10:41 AM EDT | Sundance
Posted on 5/9/2023, 4:44:29 PM by SoConPubbie

The nature of our politically corrupt justice system takes on new clarity today as a jury in New York City decided President Trump did not rape E. Jean Carroll, the crazy moonbat funded by political operatives, but President Trump did defame her in his denial of the accusation. Thus, the jury awards damages to the false accuser, while finding the accused not guilty.

The nine jurors, who deliberated for barely three hours before reaching their unanimous conclusion, did not find that Trump raped Carroll. But they agreed that he “sexually abused” her and that he defamed her when he refuted her story. Carroll was awarded $5 million in total damages for both claims.5 hours ago.

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2023/05/09/new-york-jury-finds-trump-not-guilty-of-rape-but-guilty-of-defaming-his-accuser-by-denying-it/

Keep in mind that New York wrote a new law specifically to provide E Jean Carroll a pathway to file a lawsuit over the allegation that something might have happened sometime in the past, though the accuser could not identify what year President Trump assaulted her. The accuser, a woman of notoriously odd behavior and remarkably unstable mindset, was funded by billionaire LinkedIn founder and very vocal Trump critic, Reid Hoffman.

New York created the new law for Ms. Carroll, Reid Hoffman paid for the legal costs, and Ms. Carroll made her sketchy accusations of something, from sometime, that wasn’t certain to have happened. There were no witnesses to the claimed events, there was no evidence the event took place, there was nothing to indicate Ms. Carroll or Mr. Trump were even in the same place at the same time.

However, the judge in the case permitted the presentation of possibility, then blocked President Trump from speaking about the case, and then instructed the jury to consider that Ms Carroll’s claims may have indeed taken place, at some point – although no evidence exists and no one knows when, not even Ms Carroll.

In any other situation this case would have been thrown out of court for being ridiculous. However, in the modern era where justice is metered by regional public opinion that is based on Lawfare and political motivation, we get this situation.

New York Jury Finds Trump Not Guilty of Rape, But Guilty of Defaming His Accuser by Denying It!!! 5/9/2023, 4:44:29 PM · by SoConPubbie · 9 replies
The Last Refuge ^ | Tuesday, 09 May 2023 10:41 AM EDT | Sundance

[freesia2]

The Adults Survivors Act (S.66A/A.648A) is what made the suit possible.

“...the Adult Survivors Act will empower survivors of sexual offenses that occurred when they were over the age of 18. The one-year window will begin six months from signing and will allow survivors to sue regardless of the statute of limitations. For many survivors, it may take years to come to terms with the trauma of sexual assault and feel ready to seek justice against an abuser, while possibly experiencing fear of retaliation or shame..”

https://www.governor.ny.gov/news/governor-hochul-signs-adult-survivors-act

[FrdmLvr]

Since when can a typical civil lawsuit go to trial with not so much as a date the alleged incident occurred? I don’t think even Ayn Rand could have made that scenario believable in a dystopian setting.

[donaldwin2024]

‘What that means is...they created this new law JUST so they could get trump.’

Everything less than one year old in the universe exists just to get trump.

[CaptainK]

Gov Hochul signed the NYS Adult Survivor’s Act in May of 2022, announcing a one-year window, beginning six months from signing allowing survivors to sue regardless of the statute of limitations.

And right on time, the day the law went into effect, the nut job Carroll filed her case against Trump.

It all worked so perfectly yo would almost think it was by design.

P.S. Carroll also claimed former CBS President Les Moonves tried to sexually assault her in an elevator. I wonder why she didn’t press charges against him.

[donaldwin2024]

‘I really need to get the skinny on what this new law is!!!’

Just make it up.

[mass55th]

Looked up the charge of battery as it stands in the counties that make up NY City: According to the law of New York City, battery is defined as follows: Battery, defined as the physical striking, hitting or sometimes groping of another individual without their consent, is a punishable crime in New York City. In some instances, a battery charge will have two cases attached - a civil liability and criminal charges. If the victim is injured, he or she may file a civil lawsuit against you, requesting that you pay for the physical and emotional injuries the victim sustained during the event.

The act of committing battery, if convicted, holds consequences of: Substantial fines, Terms of imprisonment, Mark on your record. From that moment forward, if your current employer does not terminate your job, you will have to explain your arrest and conviction to him or her, along with every future employer down the line.

IS BATTERY THE SAME AS ASSAULT? Although the terms "assault" and "battery" are often used interchangeably, it is important to understand that they are two separate offenses. One may be charged with both assault and battery, as these offenses often go hand-in-hand, but they are, in fact, two different types of crime. Assault is defined as any act in which a person threatens to take violent action against someone else, and intends to do so.

One does not necessarily have to commit an act of violence to be charged with the offense, however, as they could be charged simply for threatening to inflict bodily harm. The intended target must also have felt that danger was imminent and/or that the aggressor would have harmed them if they were not prohibited from doing so.

None of this applies to the claims of E. Jean Carrol, who never claimed she was threatened with harm at any time, and can't even recall the year she claims she was allegedly raped. What type of battery was it that Donald Trump supposedly committed to be found guilty of it? As usual, the liberal Prosecutor and Judge have made up their own rules as to what constitutes battery if your name is Donald J. Trump.

[Sacajaweau]

And Carroll filed her suit within minutes of it becoming effective.

To my mind...Hochul is guilty of abuse of power.

[Sacajaweau]

She also claimed John Johnson, her second husband...tried to strangle her 3 times. Really...he tried 3 times and couldn’t do it??