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Who Killed the Manual Transmission Full-Size Pickup Truck?
MotorBiscuit ^ | Mar 25, 2023 | Henry Cesari

Posted on 03/26/2023 10:41:58 AM PDT by where's_the_Outrage?

Once upon a time, the manual transmission was the default transmission choice for a pickup truck. The automatic was a luxury option that robbed trucks of both power and mpg. But the final full-size pickup truck with the manual transmission (the 2018 Cummins-powered Ram) has come and gone. So who is to blame for the death of the manual transmission pickup truck? The truth is that increased engine torque, government regulations, and the capabilities of the average driver are all partially responsible. But at the end of the day, we killed the manual truck; automakers don’t offer manual transmission full-size trucks because so few drivers want to buy them.

The torque wars left manual transmissions in the dust

As a fan of classic trucks, every pickup I’ve owned has had three pedals. But I know every manual has a weak point: its clutch. And modern engines make a lot more torque, too much for the final generation of manual transmissions.

Take, for example, the first gen Cummins-powered Dodge Ram. The 5.9-liter turbodiesel I6 made just 160 horsepower and 400 lb-ft of torque. Classic truck fans know that the manual transmission available behind this engine is a great option and will often last as long as the diesel itself.

Fast-forward to 2018 and the Cummins 6.7-liter turbodiesel I6 available in the heavy-duty Ram made up to 385 horsepower and 930 lb-ft of torque. That’s a lot of power to put through a manual transmission. It’s no wonder that the 2018 engine in the stickshift Ram was detuned, making 35 horsepower less than the same Cummins in an automatic transmission truck (350 horsepower).

According to Cars.com, automakers could conceivably engineer a next-generation manual transmission capable of handling this much torque. But that would be a very expensive process.

(Excerpt) Read more at msn.com ...


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Chit/Chat; Travel
KEYWORDS: bs; clutch; fakeargument; fakenews; manual; pickup; pickuptrucks; stickshift; transmission; trucks; woketrucks
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To: sit-rep

Actually some of these newer vehicles really are faster than the old irons stock vs stock.

A supersnake will smoke an old 428CJ like it is sitting still.


21 posted on 03/26/2023 11:25:09 AM PDT by MachIV
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To: sit-rep
Take 1970 era 440 and trans/rear end and put it in a new charger. and vise versa... and lets see which one smokes the other!!

The 2023 Charger Hellcat has 797 HP.

It eould absolutely grenade the entire drive train of a 70s Mopar.

22 posted on 03/26/2023 11:27:46 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: Olog-hai

I don’t know. I managed to twist the center out of a fairly high dollar clutch with an over fueled 12 valve Cummins. The automatic is able to soak up some of the shock loads that a torque monster throws at it. What probably added to the demise of mine is that on light loads, the cruise control which was designed for a low torque gas engine acts too aggressively and will cause the truck start buckling. That’s on about 400hp and 900+ ft/lbs torque.

I’m sure those sled pulls didn’t help it either.


23 posted on 03/26/2023 11:29:55 AM PDT by Clay Moore (My pistol identifies as a cordless hole punch)
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To: wally_bert

I started with a 65 ford econoline van. 3 on the column


24 posted on 03/26/2023 11:33:50 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

I learned to drive with my Dad’s ‘59 Ford 6cylinder pickup.
3 speed on the column

My first car was a ‘66 Pontiac GTO - 4 speed stick shift on the floor

Then I got a ‘67 Mustang GT 4 speed stick shift on the floor

I miss my ‘67 mustang something terribly....


25 posted on 03/26/2023 11:36:01 AM PDT by texanyankee
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To: where's_the_Outrage?
It has been amazing to me that you can't buy a stripped down basic truck anymore.

Ridiculous federal EPA mileage, emissions and safety regs

And the overall leftist desire to drive people out of the freedom of automobiles.

26 posted on 03/26/2023 11:36:38 AM PDT by PGR88
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To: DarrellZero

Me too, I drove through the mountains after the brakes quit to get home with a manual tranny. Could not have done that with an automatic. AND that was with a camper on board towing a Jeep.

These mew 4 door short bed things are NOT a PU. They are and SUV with a birth defect.


27 posted on 03/26/2023 11:37:35 AM PDT by oldasrocks (quew)
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To: semimojo
horsepower is rated different today than yesterday. I do not believe that 797 would be 797 with yesterdays calculations. cars dont even weigh half of what they used to so If I was to guess, id say that 797 would not blow up yesteryear's drive trains!!

I truly dont know how the ratings have changed, but I do know for a fact they have strictly due to the lighter frames and body's of modern cars.

28 posted on 03/26/2023 11:38:38 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

I bought a used

Honda 5 speed prelude

in the late 90’s

( it was a donation - on the way to the animal shelter - for a 500 dollar tax credit - my fiend was going to give it away )

best running sport car I ever drove

had a 5 speed honda ascot motorcycle too

best I ever rode

didn’t like the costly clutch jobs

on my pu - dump trucks I had previously owned


29 posted on 03/26/2023 11:40:51 AM PDT by Firehath
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To: where's_the_Outrage?

To fellow Freepers in the know.

Is a 3 on the tree manual transmission truck or car available to US drivers anywhere anymore?


30 posted on 03/26/2023 11:42:20 AM PDT by desertsolitaire (Nothing Changes if Nothing Changes)
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To: texanyankee

1964 MGB for me. On sub-zero days, my dad had me back it up and down the driveway to warm it up. The driveway was steep and long. By the time I was old enough to drive it on the road, I was quite skilled with a clutch.

My favorite was a ‘67 dodge van with a three on the tree. The linkage was loose and would bind up. I had to get out and yank on the linkage through the grill to get it free.

Now I have an ‘05 MR2 Spyder with five on the floor and a rear engine. Getting in and out is a skill.


31 posted on 03/26/2023 11:45:27 AM PDT by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: semimojo

in addition, I’d bet the torque of the old bore and stroke engines would indeed smash todays high RPM based transmissions...


32 posted on 03/26/2023 11:45:27 AM PDT by sit-rep
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To: gibsonguy

> I started with a 65 ford econoline van. 3 on the column

Me too. 3 on the column and teenage girlfriend on a mattress in the back. I ditched the truck and married the girl. Best decision I ever made.


33 posted on 03/26/2023 11:48:28 AM PDT by Flatus I. Maximus (If Black Lives Matter, how do you explain Chicago?)
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To: wardaddy

It’s called the “millennial anti-theft device”. Better power utilization comes through the use of a torque converter. You never see a loader or bulldozer with a manual transmission. Most large Ag tractors use a torque converter.


34 posted on 03/26/2023 11:50:59 AM PDT by VTenigma (Conspiracy theory is the new "spoiler alert")
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To: sit-rep
in addition, I’d bet the torque of the old bore and stroke engines would indeed smash todays high RPM based transmissions...

The '70 440 six-pack had 480 lb-ft of torque while the Hellcat has 650 lb-ft.

The '70 440 six-pack took 6 seconds to get to 60 mph and the Hellcat takes 3.6.

The '70 440 six-pack was 13.6 through the quarter mile while the Hellcat is 11.9.

35 posted on 03/26/2023 11:56:58 AM PDT by semimojo
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To: Flatus I. Maximus

In my case the truck outlasted the girl. That motor was damn near indestructible.


36 posted on 03/26/2023 11:58:58 AM PDT by gibsonguy
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To: wardaddy

I’m one of the few women left, I guess.

My husband and kids can drive them. Also makes them harder to steal. 😁


37 posted on 03/26/2023 12:00:58 PM PDT by RushIsMyTeddyBear
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To: dfwgator

Thanks for the info...Next car will be an anti theft device.....Brilliant......


38 posted on 03/26/2023 12:04:32 PM PDT by Hambone 1934 (Dems love playing Nazis.....The republicans love helping them)
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To: sit-rep
Prior to all the nonsense with emissions, car manufacturers released hp/tq numbers on a clean engine - no exhaust manifolds, no torque converter etc.

After the emissions and unleaded gas requirements manufacturers made engines with lower compression and released numbers that did include exhaust manifold etc - meaning cars appeared to “lose” anywhere from 30-100hp. The fact was they didn’t really “lose” any hp……the numbers were inflated b/c the customer never realized the advertised hp/tq because when they bought the car….they bought a car (that had a transmission, differentials, manifolds, etc) and not just an engine.

The math never changed, 1hp still = 1hp from 50 years ago. How the companies record and report hp changed. A 2022 Scatpack Charger puts out way more hp than 1970 440 6 pack Charger, and yes, way more than a 426 Hemi.

If you want to do a true test - throw the cars on a dyno and test the power to the wheels. General rule of thumb for a gas vehicle is you “lose” about 20% hp from the engine through the drivetrain, to the rear wheels.

39 posted on 03/26/2023 12:04:54 PM PDT by Repeat Offender (While the wicked stand confounded, call me with Thy saints surrounded.)
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To: old curmudgeon
Exactly. And that is why the right way to build an electric car is to build one with an onboard generator powered with an internal combustion engine. The engine can be tuned for that perfect sweet spot and vehicle speed would be controlled by the amount of electricity send to the drive motors.

Mazda is making a rotary engined car with that approach.
40 posted on 03/26/2023 12:10:48 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (But yet the Son of man, when he cometh, shall he find, think you, faith on earth? (Luke 18:8))
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