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A Jewish Defense of the Trinity - The Case for Messiah
www.youtube.com ^ | March 1, 2023 | ONE FOR ISRAEL Ministry

Posted on 03/04/2023 5:33:00 PM PST by Jonty30

Although some contend that the Trinity contradicts the monotheism of the Hebrew Bible, in this podcast we show how the Torah reveals the mysterious unity of God and lays the theological foundation for belief in the Triune God. Dig deeper into the scriptures and let the roots of your faith be strengthened by this powerful podcast!

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1 posted on 03/04/2023 5:33:00 PM PST by Jonty30
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To: Jonty30

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=p7D2djAnAbI


2 posted on 03/04/2023 5:33:11 PM PST by Jonty30 (THE URGE TO SAVE THE WORLD IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN URGE TO RULE IT)
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The Torah does not deny the possibility of a Triune God.


3 posted on 03/04/2023 5:33:39 PM PST by Jonty30 (THE URGE TO SAVE THE WORLD IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN URGE TO RULE IT)
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The Jewish Kabbalah goes further

https://www.jewishvirtuallibrary.org/the-ten-sefirot-of-the-kabbalah

The Jewish mystical doctrine known as “Kabbalah” (=”Tradition”) is distinguished by its theory of ten creative forces that intervene between the infinite, unknowable God (”Ein Sof”) and our created world.

Through these powers God created and rules the universe, and it is by influencing them that humans cause God to send to Earth forces of compassion or severe judgment.


4 posted on 03/04/2023 5:41:58 PM PST by SauronOfMordor (The rot of all principle begins with a single compromise.)
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To: Jonty30
The Torah does not deny the possibility of a Triune God.

A truckload of made up nonsense. As far as Judaism is concerned, there is ONE G-d, only one. This is declared on virtually every page of our prayerbook. Only people claiming otherwise are messyonics, who spew lie after lie after lie. I don't give a flying fig if you flame me, this is what's true. Judaism = one G-d. Other religions of any kind = however many deities they want.

5 posted on 03/04/2023 5:44:11 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: EinNYC

Why would I flame you for taking a position that you have studied and come to your conclusion?

A fairly studied conclusion may not be what I agree with, but I would never flame you over it.


6 posted on 03/04/2023 5:56:23 PM PST by Jonty30 (THE URGE TO SAVE THE WORLD IS ALMOST ALWAYS AN URGE TO RULE IT)
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To: SauronOfMordor

Kabbalah is completely oral tradition. So are we Solo Scriptura or not?


7 posted on 03/04/2023 6:31:17 PM PST by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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To: Jonty30

The opening joke says it all...the joke is: two Jews, three opinions. Here are two (completed...ie, false Jews...) of the same opinion- that the Torah, G-d forbid, supports a Trinity. No Jews and nothing Jewish at all.

(And if they were born Jewish, their status in Jewish law is “mishumadim” having destroyed their souls- but repairable with sincere teshuvah, “return” to Hashem, and no blood necessary.


8 posted on 03/04/2023 6:52:07 PM PST by Phinneous (By the way, there are Seven Laws for you too! Noahide.org)
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Bkmk


9 posted on 03/04/2023 7:07:56 PM PST by sauropod (“If they don’t believe our lies, well, that’s just conspiracy theorist stuff, there.”)
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The original trinity was Nimrod, Semiramis (Nimrod’s wife), and little baby Tammuz!


10 posted on 03/04/2023 7:18:41 PM PST by Tom Tetroxide
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“The Torah does not deny the possibility of a Triune God.”

Yes, it does!

Have you ever read the Shema?

שְׁמַע יִשְׂרָאֵל יְהוָה אֱלֹהֵינוּ יְהוָה אֶחָֽד
Shema Yisrael. Adonai Elohenu, Adonai echad!
Listen, Israel. The Lord is our God, the Lord is one!
-Devarim (Deuteronomy) 6:4

The rabbis from Moses onward have always defined God as indivisible and not physical much to the anger of civilizations 3000 years ago to the present. Many Jews have died at the hands of the nations for not compromising that basic tenet of the nature of God. The closest he gets is Spirit. He is beyond space and time.

Even the Christian’s New Testament points this out.

“God is spirit, and those who worship him must worship in spirit and truth.”
- John 4:24

It doesn’t mention anything about Him being physical or divisible.


11 posted on 03/04/2023 7:29:39 PM PST by Tom Tetroxide
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How do you handle Genesis 1:26-27, which switches back and forth between plural and singular?

“Then God said, “Let Us make man in Our image, according to Our likeness; let them have dominion over the fish of the sea, over the birds of the air, and over the cattle, over all the earth and over every creeping thing that creeps on the earth.” So God created man in His own image; in the image of God He created him; male and female He created them.”


12 posted on 03/04/2023 8:07:39 PM PST by aimhigh (THIS is His commandment . . . . 1 John 3:23)
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noone cares to answer that i guess, but good question- also,

Isaiah 9:6 - A Child Is Born
6 For to us a child is born, to us a son is given, and the government will be on his shoulders. And he will be called Wonderful Counselor, Mighty God, Everlasting Father, Prince of Peace.

God says “Thou shalt have no other gods before Me”- so why does Isaiah say Christ is called “Mighty God”, and “Everlasting Father”? and why does the old testament use plural for God sometimes and not others? If God was not trinity, the bible woudl always state the singular for Eloah, Not Elohim, the plural form of Eloah


13 posted on 03/04/2023 8:46:34 PM PST by Bob434
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To: Jonty30

Jesus said “I and the Father are one” (John 10:30)

A dice has six sides, and it looks different depending on which side you are looking at, but it’s still only one object.

And there’s also that story about St Patrick and the shamrock.


14 posted on 03/04/2023 9:08:13 PM PST by Mr Information
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As far as Judaism is concerned, there is ONE G-d, only one.

The Trinity is ONE God. Only One.

This God could though appear for example in the flesh as a man to Abraham and Sarah and eat bread with them while still being God in Heaven. Does this make God two Gods?

If Yes, then the Torah asserts two Gods.

If No, then how does the Trinity assert more than one God?

15 posted on 03/04/2023 10:34:00 PM PST by AndyTheBear
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To: EinNYC

“As far as Judaism is concerned, there is ONE G-d, only one.”

The same is true for Christians. The Trinity is not a multiplicity of gods. The Trinity is One God, in Three Persons.


16 posted on 03/04/2023 11:03:35 PM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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To: Tom Tetroxide

“The original trinity was Nimrod, Semiramis (Nimrod’s wife), and little baby Tammuz!”

Hislop was proven wrong decades ago: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Semiramis#The_Two_Babylons


17 posted on 03/04/2023 11:07:53 PM PST by vladimir998 ( Apparently I'm still living in your head rent free. At least now it isn't empty.)
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The same is true for Christians. The Trinity is not a multiplicity of gods. The Trinity is One God, in Three Persons.

Not the same. Judaism has one G-d, no "persons".

18 posted on 03/04/2023 11:18:26 PM PST by EinNYC
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To: Tom Tetroxide
It doesn’t mention anything about Him being physical or divisible.

God was a man in the flesh visiting Abraham. Seems pretty physical to me. He ate fish with them. And yet God presumably was still in Heaven ruling from His thrown.

Now either this part of the Torah means that God was not one. OR God can appear as a man and also be in Heaven and still be one.

You can't throw out the God being physical or divisible in the sense of appearing as a man unless you throw out the Torah.

19 posted on 03/05/2023 12:44:14 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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Not the same. Judaism has one G-d, no "persons".

Who was the person that ate with Abraham and asked why Sarah laughed?

20 posted on 03/05/2023 12:52:22 AM PST by AndyTheBear
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