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When did the pronunciation of “Los Angeles” change from “Los Angle - Es”
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Posted on 01/29/2023 11:13:42 AM PST by lefty-lie-spy

I am a fan of classic radio shows and I notice that until at least the late 1930s, what we know as the city of Los Angeles, California, was always referred to phonetically as, “Los Angle-Es”.

Do any of our old timers or young timers with more knowledge than myself here know, or remember when, the pronunciation change was made, and by who, and why?

You can hear this formerly de facto pronunciation in old radio shows from the 1930s such as this example - https://podcasts.apple.com/jp/podcast/case-closed-old-time-radio/id219708992?l=en&i

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To: Vermont Lt

“The residents can pronounce it however they want. I will match their Los Angeles with our Worcester“

You mean “War-Chester”? 😋


41 posted on 01/29/2023 12:46:38 PM PST by GrumpyOldGuy
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To: GrumpyOldGuy

Leicester wants a piece of this conversation.


42 posted on 01/29/2023 12:50:55 PM PST by Vermont Lt
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To: lefty-lie-spy

In the movie 1941 the ballroom dance announcer say it, Los Angle malese, California.


43 posted on 01/29/2023 12:54:27 PM PST by shotgun
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To: ansel12

“I remember when people used to correct someone for saying LA instead of Los Angeles.”

Where? In Tulare County there wasn’t a strong love with L.A. as they used to come into the hills and their hunters would shoot about anything in sight to include a lot of dairy cows. And their lack of caring was inviting thousands of illegals into the valley to work for the UFW and create a lot of problems for the agricultural community. They also sucked a lot of water out of the valley and north that could have been used for agriculture and caused a lot of drought problems in the farm and ranching community. It now has effected Lake Mead, Glenn Canyon Lake Powell, and is still cutting off water from the valley so they can water their plants. Like I said, no love lost there. (And we called them other things, also that can’t be printed here)

wy69


44 posted on 01/29/2023 12:57:06 PM PST by whitney69
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To: lefty-lie-spy

I’m older’n dirt and I’ve been hearing the occasional oddball pronounce it that way my entire life. It’s often pronounced that way in Hollyweird films from the 1930s & 40s.

Comes to it, it was named by Spanish speakers, and they pronounce a ‘G’ like an ‘H,’ so the correct non-gringo pronunciation would be “lōs (not “las”) an-HELL-es.”


45 posted on 01/29/2023 12:57:36 PM PST by Paal Gulli
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Lost Angeles.


46 posted on 01/29/2023 12:59:15 PM PST by july4thfreedomfoundation (Disband and Defund the putrid FBI. America does not need an out of control Gestapo)
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To: whitney69

In LA and San Diego in the 1960s and 70s, it seemed to fade out as the years passed and immigration increased.


47 posted on 01/29/2023 12:59:26 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: GrumpyOldGuy

Putting Texans in charge of deciding the proper pronunciation of all words in America and Britain would end a lot of this bickering.


48 posted on 01/29/2023 1:03:07 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

I haven’t heard that pronunciation since Arlo Guthry


49 posted on 01/29/2023 1:07:39 PM PST by Chuckster (Friends don't let friends eat farmed fish)
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To: Fightin Whitey

Oh I can tell you that! Pierre Elliot Trudeau.


50 posted on 01/29/2023 1:33:03 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: markman46

NOT ENOUGH RED IN LOS ANGELESS!!! You puta sock in it


51 posted on 01/29/2023 1:33:07 PM PST by Gaffer
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To: pfflier

I have a friend who says “supposebly” rather than supposedly. Lol I just keep quiet. Drives me crazy but not worth embarrassing her lol.


52 posted on 01/29/2023 1:34:51 PM PST by JudyinCanada
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To: lefty-lie-spy

There was once heated debate over how to pronounce “Los Angeles.” The Spanish pronunciation of the name has long been “Loce AHN-heh-less.” Yet, non-Spanish speaking Angelenos seemed to prefer the harder-sounding anglicized version “Loss ANN-ja-less.” The anglicized version was adopted, in 1934, by the U.S. Board on Geographic Names.

During the 1920s and 1930s, the Los Angeles Times vigorously defended the Spanish pronunciation and printed directly below its editorial page masthead, “LOS ANGELES (Loce Ahng-hayl-ais).” When the U.S. Board on Geographic Names recognized the anglicized version, the Times was outraged, declaring that the pronunciation made the city “sound like some brand of fruit preserve.” The newspaper further suggested that Easterners plotted to deprive the West Coast of its softer-sounding Spanish names, proposing that California would next have to tolerate such place names as “Sandy Ego,” “San Joce,” and (for San Joaquin) “San Jokkin” (Los Angeles Times, March 25, 1934). In all fairness, however, the Times did not express the same distain for the prevalent pronunciation of San Pedro as “San PEE-dro,” rather than the Spanish “San PEY-dro.”

In 1952, Los Angeles Mayor Fletcher Bowron assembled a panel to come up with the city’s own official pronunciation of its name. The panel included language professors, radio announcers and journalists. They agreed to the anglicized version “Loss ANN-ju-less.” Even so, some early 1950s Los Angeles travel films still used alternative pronunciations, such as “Loss ANN-geh-less” (with a hard “G”).

Source: http://www.laalmanac.com/geography/ge13c.php


53 posted on 01/29/2023 2:03:24 PM PST by UnwashedPeasant (The pandemic we suffer from is not COVID. It is Marxist Democrat Leftism.)
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To: Eccl 10:2; Hebrews 11:6

I’m old and grew up there. Yes, Mayor Sam Yorty pronounced it AngeleEEs. He was born in the midwest (Iowa IIRC) but not sure how old he was when he moved to LA. He and LAPD Chief Parker cleaned up the corruption of the Mayor Poulson era. I mark the beginning of LA’s decline with Yorty’s loss of the mayoralty to Tom Bradley.


54 posted on 01/29/2023 2:27:41 PM PST by TexasKamaAina (The time is out of joint. - Hamlet)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Los Angeles must rhyme with “keys” and “please” according to Arlo.

Coming into Los Angeles
Bringing in a couple of keys
Don’t touch my bags if you please
Mister customs man, yeah.


55 posted on 01/29/2023 3:06:47 PM PST by Captain Compassion (I'm just sayin')
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To: lefty-lie-spy

It comes from the dust bowl days, mass migration from Oklahoma, parts of Arkansas, Kansas, Texas. It was a new pronunciation that avoided the Spanish version. Not so much now, but when I was in California in the 70s, if you heard that pronunciation you could bet your bottom peso that the family lineage was from that era. Usually used by older persons who grew up in such a family or the elderly themselves who migrated from the midwest/eastern plains states.


56 posted on 01/29/2023 3:10:24 PM PST by Badboo (A fascist is the one who wants to take your guns. That's how it always starts.)
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To: ansel12

“In LA and San Diego in the 1960s and 70s, it seemed to fade out as the years passed and immigration increased.”

It faded out because as the media got more liberal and supportive of the democrats, they were a key tool in trying to hide what actually was increasing along with their voting numbers, legal or not. And a lot of that is based upon the definition of immigration, legal or not.

Between 1/3 and 1/2 of all farmworkers in America reside in California, or roughly 500,000 - 800,000 farmworkers. Approximately 75% of California’s farmworkers are undocumented; 83% in Santa Cruz County. And that’s at the other end of the state.

Another example of the illegals getting ignored is East L.A. With 118,964 people, East Los Angeles is the 52nd most populated city in the state of California out of 1,571 cities. In L.A. County, alone, there are 951K undocumented with the Latin side of it at 721K. The most illegals coming in are from Mexico, Guatemala, and El Salvador. And as jobs disappear in the basin due to their lack of education and paperwork, they will migrate north into the valley for farm work. They have for eighty years and more. It hasn’t gone away, it just got organized.

wy69


57 posted on 01/29/2023 4:47:18 PM PST by whitney69
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Robert Mitchum uses that pronunciation in the opening scene of Tombstone.


58 posted on 01/29/2023 5:03:48 PM PST by scott7278 (Those who beat their swords into plowshares usually end up plowing for those who kept their swords.)
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To: lefty-lie-spy

Arlo Guthrie


59 posted on 01/29/2023 5:05:04 PM PST by Poser (Cogito ergo Spam - I think, therefore I ham)
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To: whitney69

I meant running into proud Los Angelenos who would ask people to use the full name instead of LA faded out.


60 posted on 01/29/2023 5:14:18 PM PST by ansel12 (NATO warrior under Reagan, and RA under Nixon, bemoaning the pro-Russians from Vietnam to Ukraine.)
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