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Damar Hamlin collapses on field; Bills-Bengals temporarily suspended
espn.com ^ | 9:21 PM ET | ALAINA GETZENBERG

Posted on 01/02/2023 6:34:29 PM PST by V_TWIN

CINCINNATI -- Buffalo Bills safety Damar Hamlin was taken off the field in an ambulance after receiving treatment on the field for over 10 minutes, which resulted in the game between the Buffalo Bills and- Cincinnati Bengals being suspended until further notice Monday night.


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KEYWORDS: bills; commotiocordis; covid; damarhamlin; diedsuddenly; hamlin; mondaynightfootball; mrna; nfl; qvirus; sudden; suddenly; unexpected; unexpectedly; vaxxed
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To: Texan4Life

There’s that word again.

Maybe I’m missing something. But I don’t recall this much pushback on any vaccine. Ever.

Heck. I’m only 61 years old. I, like Tony Dungy, don’t ever remember young people just collapsing and dying at this rate. Not even close. But who am I supposed to believe? You or my lying eyes?


261 posted on 01/03/2023 8:27:16 AM PST by saleman
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To: Mr Information

Neither do I!

You can see that there was some force from the impact, you can see Hamlin’s body react to it momentarily. And you can see the helmet of the runner react slightly. But to be able to tell exactly where the force was most heavily absorbed and how strong it was would require much more analysis than simply watching the video.


262 posted on 01/03/2023 8:48:25 AM PST by Scott from the Left Coast (Make Orwell Fiction Again)
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To: bray

BTW,,,,your wife is awesome.


263 posted on 01/03/2023 10:10:02 AM PST by Osage Orange
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To: Osage Orange

Saint Marilyn


264 posted on 01/03/2023 10:12:35 AM PST by bray (My book, The Republic of Texas explains everything )
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To: Nathan _in_Arkansas

But anyone questioning it is a horrible person!


265 posted on 01/03/2023 2:09:40 PM PST by piusv (Francis didn't start the Fire)
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To: Eccl 10:2

I think the difference with those two greats is that it happened so long ago and we’ve come so far in detection and treatment. These players are paid so much money nowadays that you can guarantee they are checked over time
and time again.


266 posted on 01/03/2023 4:48:15 PM PST by Treeless Branch
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To: Treeless Branch

Quite true. We haven’t seen the like since those days it seems.

OK, it’s the “vaccinations” then.


267 posted on 01/03/2023 7:30:36 PM PST by Eccl 10:2 (Prov 3:5 --- "Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding")
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To: frithguild
Points to consider:

All the cases I've ever heard of, were a sharp impulsive blow from a small hard object: a fastball or a hockey puck.

And they were to the center of the chest.

This hit looked like it was just below the collarbone. And the victim was wearing protective padding which would both soften (render less impulsive) and spread out (not a blow right over the heart, but pressure over the entire chest) the impact.

Incidentally, if there is a 5 millisecond or 20 millisecond window for commotio cordis to occur, compare the time interval to how long a hit in pro football takes: much longer than blow of a slapshot or fastball.

Also from my recollections of commotio cordis, the heart stops *instantly* and the person almost immediately either drops, or becomes woozy.

This guy had time to disentangle himself from the tackle, get on all fours, stand up, and move to adjust his helmet -- then, *boom*.

Compare to the hockey player clip floating around where the guy looks out of it immediately.

And if it was the hit, how come there haven't been more cases in high-school, college-, and pro football before now? (Or, for that matter, in rugby?)

268 posted on 01/04/2023 9:07:08 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: grey_whiskers
...if there is a 5 millisecond or 20 millisecond window for commotio cordis to occur...

If that was true, statistically we would have a player dropping after every 200 hits, probably at least several times a weekend.

This type of media push shows you they are doing everything they can to conceal what the real cause was.

269 posted on 01/04/2023 9:13:32 AM PST by Henchster (Free Republic - the BEST site on the web!)
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To: Henchster

Do you thii we wool eer get YHE TRUTH of exactly what caused his collapse ... from the riler controlled mediaa?


270 posted on 01/04/2023 9:48:58 AM PST by MHGinTN (A dispensation perspective is a powerful tool for discernment)
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To: grey_whiskers
He had what appeared to me to be mental status changes pretty immediately - unsteady gait and hands to the head area (adjust helmet.

I have asked here whether such a significant pulmonary involvement (intubation and ventilation) following defibrulation is consistent with commotio cordis without comorbidity, and I have heard crickets.

271 posted on 01/04/2023 9:50:37 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

Concur.


272 posted on 01/04/2023 9:54:20 AM PST by grey_whiskers ( (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.))
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To: grey_whiskers
There was also a report from a family member that the medical team positioned their patient on his belly to help him breathe - to a local TV crew. I see this as an "off reservation" disclosure.

I am coloring this as off reservation because of a report that federal agents entered the hospital. Their mission, I speculate, is narrative control. Following their entry, there has been basically a blackout about the condition of the patient and the treatment plan.

273 posted on 01/04/2023 10:02:15 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

“ Hamlin’s uncle, Dorrian Glenn, provided a small update in an interview with ESPN.

” It seems like he’s trending upwards in a positive way and we’re thanking God for that,” Glenn said.

He said Hamlin was resuscitated twice, once on the field and again when he got to the hospital. The 24-year-old remains sedated on a ventilator as he continues to recover. Glenn said to multiple reporters that Hamlin is on his stomach to help take pressure off his lungs.”

https://www.wcpo.com/sports/bills-safety-damar-hamlin-taken-off-field-in-ambulance-during-monday-night-football


274 posted on 01/04/2023 10:09:50 AM PST by chuck allen
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To: frithguild

“ Glenn said there were some encouraging signs, such as doctors lowering the level of oxygen Hamlin needs from 100% to 50%.

“He’s still sedated right now,” Glenn told CNN. “They just want him to have a better chance of recovering better. So, they feel that if he’s sedated, his body can heal a lot faster than if he was woke and possibly cause other complications.”

According to Glenn, Hamlin is now “flipped over on his stomach” in the hospital to help with the blood in his lungs.

“Doctors said that Damar is on his stomach to help take the pressure off the lungs, so they don’t have to work as hard,” Glenn said.

Glenn went on to say that the next step is to get Hamlin, who is still sedated on a ventilator, to breathe on his own.“

https://www.wlwt.com/article/damar-hamlin-collapse-nfl-family-shares-statement/42386452


275 posted on 01/04/2023 10:14:20 AM PST by chuck allen
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To: gas_dr
Can you comment about the frequency, as reflected in the literature for the appearance of conditions necessitating sedation, intubation and positioning the patient's posterior on the bed, following a successful defibrulation of a patient that suffered a commotio cordis injury? What sequellae of a commotio cordis injury, standing alone, will make such a treatment plan advisable. Are there conditions or comorbidities that require such a treatment plan that may not be due to a commotio cordis injury, and if yes, what are they?
276 posted on 01/04/2023 10:23:39 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

Anterior on the bed - my apologies.


277 posted on 01/04/2023 10:33:43 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: Mom MD

See the posts above regarding treatment protocols post defibrulation. Are these treatments, including posterior positioning, standard of care in typical treatment for anoxic encephalopathy or other anoxic injury? Is anoxic injury requiring sedation, intubation and anterior positioning consistent with a prognosis that the patient will recover fully (A statement of prognosis that i glean from the same source, which i will concede perhaps not so reliable)? Comment if you care to. Thanks.


278 posted on 01/04/2023 10:44:02 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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To: frithguild

Your question is somewhat nonsensical. Not sure what you mean by placings posterior on the bed and also a fundamental lack of understanding of ACLS

A VF arrest will also cause respiratory arrest as the brain is not perfused and system pressure drops to relatively zero. Standard ACLS protocol involves securing the airway. The key is oxygenation and circulation. The ABC of medicine is airway breathing circulation.

Thus the responders had a witnessed arrest and no pulse. CPR was started and the patient was intubated according to protocol. Airway protection is key. What is the long term sequelae for him? Depends on the quality of CPR and the time the patient had tissue level hypoxemia in the brain.


279 posted on 01/04/2023 10:51:28 AM PST by gas_dr (Conditions of Socratic debate: Intelligence, Candor, and Good Will)
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To: gas_dr
You are correct about my question - I meant to ask about anterior not posterior positioning. My apologies and appreciation for your attention.

Does Standard ACLS protocol include mechanical ventilation and anterior positioning? Are these modalities typical? Are these modities employed for patients with pericardial pathology or pulmonary clotting?

280 posted on 01/04/2023 11:01:24 AM PST by frithguild (The warmth and goodness of Gaia is a nuclear reactor in the Earth's core that burns Thorium)
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