Posted on 12/11/2022 11:21:58 PM PST by RandFan
What is the latest thinking on here? Will the GOP nomination for president be contested or what?
Trump has announced and I think whether any one likes it or not Ron DeSantis of Florida is going to run. He would not be making the kind of comments or putting out the kind of press releases he is otherwise.
I could be wrong (?).
Rand is also making sure he is in the media a lot. He might be thinking about it. He ran in '16 if you remember.
Others will no doubt jump in for the attention and potential $. I'm thinking others with little chance i.e Larry Hogan.
Nothing is inevitable in politics I have come to know this!
Same here.
Trump will get the black and Latino votes over these guys
I think it will be contested, and the Republican candidate will be far better than the Demoncrat candidate, just like in 2020. I also think the election will be contested, with the same figures behind the curtains and closed doors, harvesting illegal votes with the help of the DOJ, big tech, and media.
True, but I would vote for either Trump or DeSantis OR Rand which ever one wins the primary. The caveat is this: DeSantis won't win nearly as many votes in the general election as Trump did in 2020. Neither will Rand.
And neither will Trump, although he would garner more votes than either of the two in the general. Just not as many as 2020.
I will not pull the lever for a RINO. The jerks from MD and WY can just forget it.
And then remember that the demoncrap fraud mechanisms are still in place and somewhat perfected in the key battlegrounds, the GOP impotent to do anything about it, or complicit...
It’s a wonderful question and I am glad you asked if. There is a lot of room for decent debate on this question. I’ll approach if from a different angle. I am hoping the the usual attacks will be set aside in the interest of the debate.
To begin i will disclose where I did on the political spectrum as you have as well. On 2016 primary invited for Cruz. I didn’t buy the non-natural bien citizen argument. I thought he was a solid conservative and could bring home the Latin American vote which should be a natural demographic. I enthusiastically supported and voted from trump in the general. After Cruz failed to endorse trump at the convention and some subsequent stances he took in the last six years I could not support him for president. Mark Levin is the current political analyst whom is closest to my set of beliefs.
As for the landscape on 2024 there is no clear mood yet of the nation. That is what often determines who will win. In 2016 Obama fatigue had set in. Hilary was an awful candidate who assumed it was her term and between her quotes of basket of deplorables and arrogance of not understanding why she wasn’t ahead by 50 percentage points illustrated her arrogance which drove people away from her.
At the present moment here is the current political factors at play:
Economically: currently inflation is still crushing people. Stsgflation is present. It does not look like Biden will do anything to change this from a economic standpoint. Look for interest rates to rise another 1.5 or 2 basis points until primary season begins. Advantage trump. Trump can run on his results
Socially: The demographics that will elect the next president are suburban women and Latin American. Trump will likely not be able to cure the breach with the soccer mom generation. His personality is one bridge to far and he will not overcome the hardened judgment of a boorish misogynist. As for the Latin vote, Desantis demolished Crist and turned out Latin support not seen. Additionally he is a military officer and can claim the family man image that trump cannot. Advantage Desantis
Electability: what is the oath to 270. While trump can claim judge him by his actions he sure makes a lot of politically unforced errors. I think trump moving the American embassy to Jerusalem forever marks him as the most Israel friendly American politician but he allows mid to be thrown at him by his bone headed Kanye West bromance. Wokeism: this is where a real wild card exists in the race. All the woke nonsense is starting to piss off the middle of the electorate. If this is fostered strong advanced republican. The twitter files and Elon musk is the wildest of cards. He is releasing actual evidence that proves the election manipulations of the left. This should vindicate Trump but he has whined so much about it, he has diluted his position. His stance should be yea, I was robbed but we now know it happened so let’s fix it in the future. Advantage: Weakly Desantis and other candidates (not trump)
The other big questions; who runs on the rat side. Biden is easily beatable. Just look at the man. Problem is he may paradoxically be tough for Trump. It could be turned to look at Trump beat up on the president who is elder statesman and all nice guys. If hunters laptop continues to become a story of debauchery and corruption then anyone but trump walks into the White House. The democrats would probably be in beatable with a centrist and pragmatic candidate (a bill Clinton type). The problem is they no longer exist in the Democratic Party. So that leaves Newsome?. Forget it. Harrison. Kiss of death. Who else can show up for fje democrats? Currently the only people who can win a primary cannot claim the veneer of centrist.
All things considered I think the current most likely republican nominee is a dark horse not on the radar. Youngkin fits the bill. Noem adds the extra benefit of being a woman. Personally i think if she declares and runs Noem is unstoppable. But as I said there are people out there who could declare and swoop in And win
It’s going to be fascinating the next two years.
IMO, it will be contested, but only because the GOP will have done whatever is necessary to keep former President Trump off the primary ballots. I believe the amassing of RAT legal attacks on Mr. Trump, aided by the silence of the Republican party on these matters will provide cover for the GOP leadership to take this step.
I realize others on this board think this is a foolish opinion...time will tell.
Yes, John Dolton, Krispy Kreme, ASS-ah Hutchinson, Michael Avenatti from prison, Maryland’s own Hogan’s Hero -in his own mind and a host of other STARS will be “showin’ ‘em how it’s done,” and making fools of themselves.
HAHAH that’s’ quite a list of characters.
>> I could be wrong (?).
You could be wrong.
At this moment, President Donald Trump (and no one else) has announced their candidacy.
In the present moment, to tear Donald Trump down and build up an imaginary candidate is to fully support the demonic Demon-rat party. Why would any conservative want to do that?
RD never said he is not running categorically.
What he said was he has not thought about it because he is just got elected and has Florida to run.
Oprah is thinking.
The Globalist/Establishment/Uniparty/NeverTrumpers are absolutely going to push and do anything and everything they can to stop Trump from getting the nomination.
They were active co-conspiracists in the 2020 theft, they absolutely will do anything and everything to keep him from the nomination... It will be contested, and uglier than you can imagine.
Well said.
Trump is in the weeds, far off his game and there’s no evidence he can find a path to victory. He’s destroyed so much good will, become obsessed with 2020 and mimicked low energy Jeb in his announcement.
DeSantis needs to focus on running Florida
In a way, the “Nobody But Trump!” crowd are just as bad as the “Anybody But Trump!” crowd - so focused on one person that they’re willing to burn the country down if they don’t get their way...
I get a ton of emails from Pompeo every day, and at least 1 email a day from Niki Haley. There are a bunch of others who are making noise about running, so I suspect that Trump will have to go thru the process of eliminating them one by one like he did in 2015-2016. I will vote for Trump in the primary here. I suspect he will win enough delegates nationwide to carry the day, even if De Santis runs.
If 2020 doesn’t get fixed it won’t matter.
Indicted or not Trump supporters will not abandon him after so many witch hunts. An indictment will only matter if Trump goes to trial in the next two years. If Trump is then forced to bow out DeSantis can step in and grab the MAGA mantel. With Trump's endorsement DeSantis would keep the MAGA movement alive and drive people to the polls. With that endorsement putting DeSantis at the helm and not Trump, it will be the RATS worrying about turnout not the GOP
YES and not a “politician” that is going to sweep all the fraud and and abuse and most likely treason that Trump has exposed...were as close to Banana Republic as we can get now...The whole Swamp was weaponized against Trump ...and if its not cleaned up...we're just fooling ourselves...
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