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Reasons for the Retreat Near Kherson (Russian Source)
Rybar ^ | 10/4/2022 | Roman Saponkov

Posted on 10/04/2022 6:53:43 AM PDT by marcusmaximus

Reasons for the retreat near Kherson. Of the units I am acquainted with, almost all of them reached out, losses are small. The men fought like lions, but this time fortune was not in their favor.

The reasons I see are:

1. No unit rotation. Units of the 126th Brigade have been fighting since March. Soldiers would go on leave for five days at best. Seven months on the front line without rotation. Constant battles, wounds, experienced and seasoned men were bombarded for seven months in a row.

End of August, these same guys knocked out the AFU’s 128th Transcarpathian brigade so badly that they declared mourning. Our men were left at their positions. The Ukrainians rotated out the 128th, brought in additional tank units and a month later knocked us out of our positions.

Miracles do not happen, no matter how heroic our soldiers may be, if the village is defended by 15 people, and the enemy hammers them with attacks and artillery fire for seven months in a row, sooner or later the unit will lose combat effectiveness.

2. Judging by the nature of the losses, the enemy used a tactic of wedging themselves between our strongpoints. Wildly short on infantry, ours sat at the strongholds, i.e. in the villages and plantations.

After months of reconnaissance, the enemy found places to infiltrate between the strongholds. Then came the insertion of mobile units into the gaps that were wedged open.

Our troops were severely strained, the strongpoints held, but the mobile reserves needed to stop the breakthroughs either did not exist, or were insufficient.

The strongholds would stay intact, but instantly, in the first few hours, would find themselves surrounded, fight until they ran out of ammunition and break out under fire.

By the way, the Ukrainians would have so little strength that they weren't even really trying to catch the encircled men, most of them made it back to us.

Weather was bad, neither side used artillery. So it's logical to suppose if we had some BTGs equipped with heavy copters, capable of seeing several kms, the breakthrough would have been stopped. But I have no info that the tankers fought to the last man, please excuse me if so.

3. Guys from the field report en masse that our tactical insignia, i.e. Z and V, was applied to enemy equipment, causing confusion in the first hours of the battle as the front collapsed.

If this is true, it means the enemy has an American network-centric battle management system, where all units on the battlefield are net-linked and marked on computers, even at company level, let alone at battalion-regiment level.

Thus, even a company sergeant in a Humvee, BMP, or T-64 can see on the screen where his own are and where the others are, and he doesn't care what marks are on the armor.

If this is case, then that's very bad news, since that's a qualitatively new level of troop control, and our retreat would be a consequence of losing parity.


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To: E. Pluribus Unum
Ukraine is a fascist government. There is no freedom. You do what the government says.

That sounds like what somebody who only reads Russian propaganda believes. Have you even been in Ukraine?

81 posted on 10/04/2022 10:04:04 AM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: walkingdead
One of the many mistakes Hitler made in World War 2 was shifting the main axis of advance from Moscow to southern Russia in the summer of 1941, which required German armored units to reposition hundreds of miles to the south. The Germans estimated they lost 30% of their tank strength due just to mechanical breakdowns during that repositioning.

The Russians have had a similar issue shifting their forces along the exterior lines of communication from the Kyiv thrust, then back to the Donbass, movement to Kherson, etc.. They likelyost a lot of operational vehicles simply because they had to move all that distance.

The Ukrainians had to move much shorter distances in response because they had interior lines, and also could more easily evacuate and repair the vehicles that did break down. It doesn't show up in war porn videos, but those kind of things make a very real difference in terms of how much combat power each side has lost and retained.

82 posted on 10/04/2022 10:05:32 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

Yep logistics, the “non sexy” side of war, but undoubtedly the most important part of warfare.

I always found the logistical side of our pacific campaign to be unbelievably impressive as well.

What I worry about via Ukraine is the slippery slope the world seems to be on. One can see many parallels to events leading up to both great wars. This is disturbing, as history shows us when Europe decides to start fighting amongst themselves, sooner or later we end up shedding American blood to make it stop. I surely hope this does not end up the same…..


83 posted on 10/04/2022 10:27:17 AM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: marcusmaximus; AdmSmith; AnonymousConservative; Arthur Wildfire! March; Berosus; Bockscar; ...
Thanks marcusmaximus. He's not much of a deep thinker, is he.

84 posted on 10/04/2022 10:29:09 AM PDT by SunkenCiv (Imagine an imaginary menagerie manager imagining managing an imaginary menagerie.)
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To: freeandfreezing

https://theconservativetreehouse.com/blog/2022/06/20/zelenskyy-officially-bans-ukraines-largest-opposition-political-party/

https://nexusnewsfeed.com/article/geopolitics/totalitarian-democracy-the-ongoing-war-in-ukraine/

https://www.redvoicemedia.com/2022/05/politicians-scream-save-democracy-in-ukraine-as-zelensky-enacts-a-core-element-of-fascism/


85 posted on 10/04/2022 10:51:13 AM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Russia also has been living off stockpiles We've heard the bullsh$t propaganda since March that Russia was running out of weapons and ammunition. Every two weeks or so, we get that claim.

We are going to realize that the Biden regime is lying about this like it lies about everything else?

86 posted on 10/04/2022 12:20:17 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: E. Pluribus Unum
None of the sources you provided show any actual evidence of what you claim about Ukraine. You are just repeating the opinions of random people without even thinking about them.

Let's look at Stewart Brennan, the author of the second article you cited:

"I don’t like what the deep state has to offer so I decided to build my own World where creativity, music, and truth prevail."

"The only true statesman of the World today, "Vladimir Putin" does not mince words, he goes straight to the point unlike western windbag politicians who blather lies in talking circles. Full text and video of Vladimir Putin's Speech at the St Petersburg International Economic Forum"

Stewart's own words

Do you think Mr. Brennan might be repeating Russian talking points when he says what he says about Putin and posts Putin's speeches as if they are some kind of divine message?

87 posted on 10/04/2022 12:23:19 PM PDT by freeandfreezing
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To: freeandfreezing

Do you think Mr. Brennan might be repeating Russian talking points when he says what he says about Putin and posts Putin’s speeches as if they are some kind of divine message?


This is no doubt a holy war for Putinists. Their tin pot tsar has no clothes but they will never see.


88 posted on 10/04/2022 12:25:00 PM PDT by lodi90
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Russia's claimed massive stockpiles of tens of thousands of tanks and artillery tubes allegedly sitting in warehouses don't exist.

Except for the ones massing in Crimea and Kherson preparing for the next offensive?

That is what satellite imagery is showing.

Everything claiming is a lie, a lie that will be very obvious soon.

If there is no surrender by Ukraine, the Russians will keep going and take Odessa and everything east of the Dnieper river at minimum.

Russia OWNS the air. I'd expect a US-style "shock and awe" campaign if there isn't a Ukrainian surrender that wipes out infrastructure and command centers.

Putin isn't bluffing when he says "we haven't really started yet".

89 posted on 10/04/2022 12:25:03 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: Kazan
Ha! This has nothing to do with Biden. As far as I know, he hasn't said squat about Russian supply issues.

It's just blatantly obvious to anyone who can read and listen. The massive Russian bombardments have stopped. No armored counter-attacks of significance in a month.

I know this makes you very, very sad, but it's reality.

90 posted on 10/04/2022 12:25:22 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin
Reality:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ox3uKQdGbIQ

Update on Russian military operations in Ukraine for October 3, 2022

Ukrainian offensives are making headlines and being leveraged politically and psychologically. In reality, Ukraine is paying a price for these offensives it cannot recover from.

Meanwhile Russia is mobilizing 300,000 men and equipment to move against Ukrainian forces just as they fully over-extend themselves and as Western inventories to re-supply Ukraine dry up.

91 posted on 10/04/2022 12:32:19 PM PDT by Kazan
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To: freeandfreezing

You are on the same side as Soros, Brandon, Gates, Schwab and the rest of the Great Reset psychos who want you dead. You deserve everything they have planned for you.


92 posted on 10/04/2022 12:35:12 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: Kazan
If there is no surrender by Ukraine, the Russians will keep going and take Odessa and everything east of the Dnieper river at minimum.

Gee, doesn't sound to me (or I think to anyone) that Ukraine is planning on surrendering. So if Russia really does have the ability to take Odessa so easily, why hasn't it? I mean, it's now been more than 7 months of Ukraine not surrendering , so you'd figured that Russia would have grabbed such a great prize much earlier if they could have managed it.

Just think of the boost it would be to the morale of Russian troops to hear that they've taken Odessa! Just think of how destructive that would be to the morale of Ukrainian troops! And just think of its effect in Europe and the United States if it was confirmed that Ukraine was now cut off from the Black Sea, and clearly wouldn't be able to hold on for much longer! They likely cut off aid, insist on immediate peace talks, etc..

And yet, despite all the obvious benefits that would flow from Russia taking Ukraine, it hasn't.

Curious, isn't it?

93 posted on 10/04/2022 12:47:40 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

Presumably, they have planned the same thing for you too. So at least we have that as a consolation prize!


94 posted on 10/04/2022 12:48:37 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Kazan
Meanwhile Russia is mobilizing 300,000 men and equipment to move against Ukrainian forces....

You mean Russia doesn't even have enough forces right now to move against the depleted and exhausted Ukrainian Army?? You've been consistently telling us in here that Russia has barely taken any losses, and that the Ukrainians are almost wiped out. So, Russia should have the vast majority of that massive,experienced invasion force stuill left to finish off the now crippled Ukrainians.

So why do they need to wait until 300,000 fat old guys can waddle their way to the front? Why not just finish off Ukraine with the massive advantage in forces that Russia still has??

95 posted on 10/04/2022 12:52:54 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin

And we have you psychos to thank.


96 posted on 10/04/2022 1:13:55 PM PDT by E. Pluribus Unum ( We need to “build back better” on the bones and ashes of those forcing us to “Build Back Better.")
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To: E. Pluribus Unum

You’re welcome!!


97 posted on 10/04/2022 1:27:50 PM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: Bruce Campbells Chin; All
Snihurivka liberated. Next stop, Kherson city.


98 posted on 10/04/2022 3:12:07 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Kazan
Snihurivka? Wha happen?


99 posted on 10/04/2022 3:15:15 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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To: Kazan

100 posted on 10/04/2022 3:49:02 PM PDT by marcusmaximus
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