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'There's only so far I can take them': Why teachers give up on struggling students who don't do their homework
Phys.org ^ | 9/27/2022 | Jessica Calarco and Ilana Horn

Posted on 09/27/2022 9:25:40 AM PDT by LibWhacker

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To: LibWhacker

“One of us is a sociologist who looks at how schools favor middle-class families. The other is a math education professor who examines how math teachers perceive their students based on their work.”

I had to stop right there because I knew the rest of the article would turn my stomach and outrage me.


61 posted on 09/27/2022 10:34:22 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: LibWhacker

My classmates who didn’t do great had to go to summer school. I went a few summers for courses I knew would be easier because I wasn’t the best student. Do kids not do this these days?


62 posted on 09/27/2022 10:34:41 AM PDT by peggybac (My will is what I wanted. God's will is what I got.)
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To: dfwgator
Unlike Gina's parents, who are married and own their own home in a middle-class neighborhood, Jesse's mom isn't married and rents a place in a mobile home community.

This, my friends, contains the answer. Destroy the family, destroy society. I don't blame the teachers for only being able to do so much, and I don't blame the kids for their limitations, emotional and otherwise. This is a much bigger problem.

63 posted on 09/27/2022 10:38:37 AM PDT by viewfromthefrontier
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To: dfwgator

And that’s the problem!


64 posted on 09/27/2022 10:42:24 AM PDT by Reily
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To: LibWhacker

No mention in the article of IQ or the “Bell Curve.”

The woketardian propaganda in the article makes it obvious why.


65 posted on 09/27/2022 10:44:36 AM PDT by Carl Vehse (A proud member of the LGBFJB community)
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To: LibWhacker

The people who govern our country are lawyers.

They spend three years of their lives learning how to be lawyers.

They learn how to convince a jury.

They learn how to convince a jury to accept what they want the jury to accept.

This teaches them how to have a majority of the voters accept what they want them to accept.

If you want to change this country, the first step is to change the law schools.


66 posted on 09/27/2022 10:46:40 AM PDT by blueunicorn6 ("A crack shot and a good dancer” )
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To: marktwain

“The article works from the assumption that “fairness” is the most important outcome. “

Fairness is equality of outcome according to these Marxists.

And if you can’t achieve this by elevating the performance of the low IQ students to that of the higher IQ, then you must handicap the higher IQ students to bring them down to that of the lower ones.

“THE YEAR WAS 2081, and everybody was finally equal. They weren’t only equal
before God and the law. They were equal every which way. Nobody was smarter
than anybody else. Nobody was better looking than anybody else. Nobody was
stronger or quicker than anybody else. All this equality was due to the
211th, 212th, and 213th Amendments to the Constitution, and to the unceasing
vigilance of agents of the United States Handicapper General.”

Prophecy from Kurt Vonnegut’s “Harrison Bergeron”. You can read more here.

https://archive.org/stream/HarrisonBergeron/Harrison%20Bergeron_djvu.txt


67 posted on 09/27/2022 10:52:57 AM PDT by aquila48 (Do not let them make you "care" ! Guilting you is how thery control you. )
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To: LibWhacker

Bullcrap. Sending homework is a waste of time. Half the time the parent does it or the kids do each others.

Also, the teachers have them at least 8 hours a day, 40 hours a week. Now they want to send you home for an extra 2 or 3 hours of work. So the school wants to monopolize 10-11 hours of the kid’s day.

Totalitarian crap. Homeschool kids do way more and usually wrap up by noon or so daily. German schools close by 1 each day.

The chudzpah to have the kid all day long, and then say you cannot teach them if they don’t do more at night? If the kid was locked in a closet for their whole life except the 8 hours a day at school you should fully be able to educate them.


68 posted on 09/27/2022 10:55:20 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Harmless Teddy Bear

The teacher is supposed to teach little Jesse how to do division, NOT the mom. The teacher has 8 hours a day to accomplish that task. The teacher failed, so they say the parent didn’t do their job at night.


69 posted on 09/27/2022 10:59:09 AM PDT by DesertRhino (Dogs are called man's best friend. Moslems hate dogs. Add it up..)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux

“One of the things I teach my kids about math, is that people who are GOOD at math are ALWAYS looking for ways to simplify, not ways to make things more complicated.”

I was pretty good in math in HS, got as far as Algebra II. Never did any of my other classes homework. Tried college, that didn’t work out, went to a 9 month school on how to be a programmer.

Never looked back. 30 years in an office, now I have been working from home (Software Developer) for over 10 years.

Oh the hours of fun I had not doing my homework...


70 posted on 09/27/2022 11:01:25 AM PDT by VastRWCon (Fake News")
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To: LibWhacker
In the schools we observed, teachers interpreted homework inequalities through what social scientists call the myth of meritocracy. The myth suggests that all students in the U.S. have the same opportunities to succeed in school and that any differences in students' outcomes are the result of different levels of effort.

This is so completely wrong-headed. Meritocracy is not just about "effort". The truth is that family/effort/income aside, some kids are just smarter than others, and will do better.

"Meritocracy" isn't about moral or vue judgments. It's about the bottom line - who is the best at doing something. That's it.

71 posted on 09/27/2022 11:06:43 AM PDT by Bruce Campbells Chin
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To: gundog

“I’ve known carpenters that used geometry without ever being taught geometry. And they didn’t know they were using it.”

After 2 classes of high school Geometry, I was totally lost and ready to drop out.

Fortunately, a good and kind neighbor had his own construction company, and he showed me how he and later I would use geometry everyday.

My Grandfather was a master carpenter, I spent a weekend with him learning about how geometry impacts/covers us each day.

One of my friend’s dad was the local chief of police, and his Dad took me out to do non dangerous riding/driving if you knew the basic rules of physics and geometry.

I hated algebra, and no one ever taught me how to use it in everyday life. I got one D in my life, and it was is in basic college algebra. All my other courses up to and through an MBA were A’s and B’s.


72 posted on 09/27/2022 11:11:47 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Anyone, who can make you believe in absurdities, can make you commit atrocities.!" ~ (Voltaire)!, )
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To: Reily

‘I would say he probably uses those high schools subjects every day...’

I can guarantee you I have not used Plane Geometry nor any of the lab sciences I studied in any real workplace...


73 posted on 09/27/2022 11:11:49 AM PDT by IrishBrigade
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To: Zuriel

We used Algebra and Calculus in the Business school of the colleges I attended, especially in Accounting and Finance.


74 posted on 09/27/2022 11:12:34 AM PDT by AppyPappy (Biden told Al Roker "America is back". Unfortunately, he meant back to the 1970's)
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To: DesertRhino
Yep.

Homework is suppose to be re-enforcing the lessons learned at school. And I am against most homework at the elementary school level. A bit of reading is one thing. Hours of home work needing parental help to complete says that something is wrong with the teacher.

Occasionally one of the kids will bring home a worksheet to do because, for one reason on another, they did not get it done in class. But that is rare here.

75 posted on 09/27/2022 11:14:09 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: gundog
#43: "I’ve known carpenters that used geometry without ever being taught geometry."

Carpenter's squares are analog computers. They are the carpenter's slide rules.

Carpenter's Square Tutorial


76 posted on 09/27/2022 11:23:25 AM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: Zuriel

He would be the first to tell you that on his job he never used the algebra, geometry, chemistry, and biology he excelled at in high school.


But all those taught him thinking skills, logic, problem solving, memorization and other skills.


77 posted on 09/27/2022 11:25:00 AM PDT by PeterPrinciple (Thinking Caps are no longer being issued but there must be a warehouse full of them somewhere.)
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To: Flash Bazbeaux
Somewhere the idea crept in to education that kids should be “free to explore”. While the idea is not totally without merit they discarded the idea that you have to set boundaries and have basic knowledge first.

The most interesting thing I ever read about boundaries was a look at kids with defined vs undefined play areas.

When the play areas were defined you had the kids playing all over the place with a few going over the fence.

In the undefined you had the majority playing in a very small area with a few leaving entirely.

Providing limits allowed the kids greater freedom to explore. Which is a contradiction until you realize that kids are small and vulnerable and they know it.

They want kids to discover the beauty of math or other learning without giving them any skills to start with.

They shove them out of the car without even knowing what a map or compass is and tell them to have fun. The kid stands there shivering beside the road and never learns a thing.

78 posted on 09/27/2022 11:28:07 AM PDT by Harmless Teddy Bear (The nation of france was named after a hedgehog... The hedgehog's name was Kevin... Don't ask)
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To: Intar

It’s pretty obvious you did not read the article - the article goes not even mention race.

Good grief.


79 posted on 09/27/2022 11:28:55 AM PDT by Fury
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To: LibWhacker
When I was in Ireland I bought a book of County Kerry jokes (the Irish equivalent of blonde jokes or Texas Aggie jokes).

In one of them, a kid is doing his math homework and his father is trying to help him.

The father is surprised to see a question asking to find the least common denominator.

"They still haven't found the least common denominator? They were looking for that when I was a kid!"

80 posted on 09/27/2022 11:34:04 AM PDT by Verginius Rufus
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