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Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?
The Epoch Times ^ | 09/09/2022 | Autumn Spreadmann

Posted on 09/09/2022 8:50:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The evolving landscape of lithium batteries is creating both contradictions and infrastructure hurdles that, according to some, need to be addressed sooner rather than later. A critical component of this is waste management.

More than 6 million electric vehicle (EV) battery packs will end up as scrap between now and 2030, and the recycling and reuse industries are racing to keep up. Some researchers project that recycling alone will be an over $12 billion industry by 2025.

U.S. President Joe Biden wants to make America a key player in the EV battery industry with a $3.1 billion spending package for automobile production to transition away from fossil fuels.

Much of this dream is pinned on a dusty stretch of soil in the Nevada high desert called Thacker Pass. It serves as the lynchpin in Biden’s push for increased domestic lithium production and more EV batteries. That’s because Thacker Pass is the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States.

Currently, China dominates the world’s EV battery production, with more than 80 percent of all units developed there.

Yet while Biden’s administration has its sights on the top spot for EV battery production, insiders are pointing out industry trapdoors.
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Thacker Pass, Nev., has the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States. (Lithium Americas)

Due to the potentially dangerous chemistry of lithium-ion EV units, concrete solutions are needed before an avalanche of dead battery packs ends up sitting around and waiting for recycling like ticking time bombs.

Those working on the sales end of the EV revolution tend to squirm or offer vague generalities when queried about what will happen to all of the old batteries.

The notion is quickly lumped into the very broad category of recycling or second life applications without offering any planning details.

Second life applications are an option for EV batteries no longer fit to power cars, but are suitable for alternative uses like energy storage.

And while that’s a start, the ultimate question lingers: How can America effectively deal with millions of completely spent, defective, or recalled EV units?

For people who specialize in hazardous waste, handling lithium batteries is a serious subject.

“For me, the biggest challenge I see, especially with second life, is on the safety side,” Scott Thibodeau at Veolia North America told The Epoch Times.

Thibodeau is the general manager of environmental services and solutions at Veolia North America, the second largest hazmat removal service in the United States.

He explained the chemistry of lithium-ion batteries is problematic since they can’t be dumped or recycled as easily as some other materials. This requires particular adaptations within the evolving EV industry to responsibly strip, package, and dispose of old units.

A ‘Thermal Runaway’

“The packing and logistics isn’t easy or cheap,” Thibodeau said.

Moreover, the batteries pose a significant fire hazard.

Tucked within the sprawling Chicago suburbs is the town of Morris, Illinois. Around midday on Jun. 29, 2021, the fire department received a call that a warehouse fire had broken out in a structure that many residents assumed was just an abandoned building. The call came from someone who claimed to be an employee for a company that was storing 200,000 pounds of batteries in the building, most of which were lithium.

Fire Chief Tracey Steffes told reporters that it was the first time his department had ever fought a lithium fire.

Mitigating traditional fires is done by using water or chemicals to cut off the supply of oxygen. However, lithium is unique in that it doesn’t require oxygen to burn. Once ignited, it creates what Thibodeau called a “thermal runaway,” which is incredibly challenging to control.

Once the battery goes into that state, stopping it is next to impossible,” Steffes said to reporters after the June 2021 fire.

Confused Morris residents were quickly evacuated from neighborhoods close to the blaze and spent hours in hotel rooms, watching smoke fill the sky, and fearing for the safety of their homes.

At that moment, residential Americans got an up close and personal look at lithium’s dark side.

It wasn’t the first incident where lithium battery storage turned catastrophic, and it likely won’t be the last.

Thibodeau says that while there’s no easy way to put out a lithium battery fire, having people properly trained on how to reduce the fire risks, combined with proper handling and storage, is a huge step in the right direction.

Recycling EV batteries poses another significant hurdle. That’s due to a trifecta of complications including expense, existing capacity to handle demand, and the simple fact these batteries aren’t easy to recycle.

“Currently, less than five percent of lithium batteries that reach the end of their lifespan are recycled,” a spokesperson for the carbon accounting group Greenly told The Epoch Times.

The representative for Greenly went on to explain that though the potential for ramped up recycling exists, it’s not possible with lithium-ion batteries until they reach the end of their lifespan.

“The industry hasn’t obtained the knowledge or experience necessary to learn how to recycle these batteries or maximize their usage beforehand,” they added.

This is where second life applications come in, which can buy a non-defective EV battery an extra 10 years of life. It also essentially buys the burgeoning recycling companies time to catch up.

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KEYWORDS: automotive; batteries; electriccar; epicfailure; ev
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To: SeekAndFind

Raw materials used to make the batteries, will eventually be wiped out and no more mining. Mining in itself is also so destructive to the environment, wildlife, water sources in the area are polluted. Health consequences from the miners, often children, who get cancer.

But lets cut the carbon causing gas engines.


81 posted on 09/10/2022 6:46:10 AM PDT by Engedi
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To: alloysteel

Send these materials through a plasma-arc trash disposal system

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How many kilowatts does it take to power a plasma-arc anyways ?

Doesn’t sound very cost effective.


82 posted on 09/10/2022 6:46:41 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: SeekAndFind

Read later.


83 posted on 09/10/2022 6:46:49 AM PDT by NetAddicted (Just looking)
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To: cuz1961

These runaway electric battery fires could burn cities to the ground as if they had been targets of incendiary bombs.
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Introducing the newest Dresden line of E.V.’s !!!

Next year the Hamburg and Tokoyo models.

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I agree these batteries are flat out dangerous and a big problem regarding disposal


84 posted on 09/10/2022 6:49:56 AM PDT by cuz1961 (USCGR Veteran )
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To: Paladin2

Direct recycling is an alternative that basically deconstructs the battery and retains the cathode and anode materials to be reconditioned. This method is in its early days, but it has the potential to be cheaper, safer, and more efficient. The process is made difficult by the need to manually break down a huge range of battery formats. A lithium battery pack contains modules that contain cells, and these cells are where the valuable metals are found. Manually getting to these cells is doable but tedious, and automation is needed to process high volumes


85 posted on 09/10/2022 6:50:27 AM PDT by Engedi
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To: Regulator

Yup! The browning of America continues in the woke mind. It’s hard to watch very a TV show an advertisement or a or a video/movie where the characters involved are a biracial couple.


86 posted on 09/10/2022 7:39:59 AM PDT by mad_as_he$$ (Don't rush to your death.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Hydrogen fuel is the answer it’s why many are producing it even Chine is the leader in it.
It doesn’t get the spot light that EV cars do it’s all about stocks and fast talking sellers of them.
Want to buy some bit coins buddy.

When all else fails keep it simple stupid still works.


87 posted on 09/10/2022 7:50:50 AM PDT by Vaduz ( )
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To: blackdog

Thumbs up!


88 posted on 09/10/2022 11:33:11 AM PDT by FlingWingFlyer (I always thought a Merry Garland was a Christmas tree decoration.)
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To: cuz1961

You are quite correct, a plasma-arc trash disposal system is a real energy hog.

BUT, the process by which the plasma arc converts ALL materials to their constituent atoms, also acts upon any organic materials that are fed into the plasma arc. Two of the products formed are free hydrogen and carbon monoxide, both excellent fuels, which may be used to supply energy to superheat steam and drive a power generator, and thus the system can be made to generate its own electrical power to keep the plasma arc going, once initiated. In fact the system can generate enough electrical power to not only maintain the arc, but some five times as much power as is consumed. This can be fed back into the grid, or used to power other processes necessary to assure the induction of new material and the removal and further processing of the slag at the bottom of the reaction vessel. The slag may in fact be a very high grade of ore for various metallic elements, and an important step in recovery of those metallic elements. As most of the slag is made up of silicate compounds, it may also be used as aggregate in concrete or other industrial uses, or even carved up into blocks of igneous rock for other purposes.


89 posted on 09/10/2022 12:30:49 PM PDT by alloysteel (A born skeptic is now living in a target-rich environment. SO many beliefs to challenge...)
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To: SeekAndFind

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90 posted on 09/10/2022 1:04:44 PM PDT by LouAvul (Complacency is the enemy of courage.)
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To: SeekAndFind

When this happens, suddenly the blocked spent uranium sites will be reopened.

Greens are consistently stupid.


91 posted on 09/10/2022 3:22:16 PM PDT by nicollo (arbitrary law is not rule of law)
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To: SeekAndFind

Airplanes have crashed due to a chemical oxygen generators fire.
One went straight down into a Florida swamp at 507mph.
Lithium does not need outside oxygen and there have been hundreds of fires.

Do a search: aircraft accidents due to lithium batteries
Many found.

FAA site: Lithium Battery Incidents
https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/resources/lithium_batteries/incidents

FAA site: As of February 25, 2022, there have been 354 aviation related incidents involving lithium batteries carried as cargo or baggage recorded since January 23, 2006.
https://www.faa.gov/hazmat/resources/lithium_batteries/media/Battery_incident_chart.pdf

UPS 747 Crash Highlights Lithium Battery Danger
https://www.flyingmag.com/news-ups-747-crash-highlights-lithium-battery-danger/


92 posted on 09/10/2022 4:22:10 PM PDT by minnesota_bound (Need more money to buy everything now)
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To: campaignPete R-CT

Anthony Pons is the nicest guy ever!


93 posted on 09/24/2022 10:49:43 AM PDT by campaignPete R-CT (I owe, I owe, it's off to work I go ...)
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To: Tennessee Nana
My gas driven car will still be running ...

Assuming you can still find a gas station.

94 posted on 09/24/2022 10:51:32 AM PDT by dfwgator (Endut! Hoch Hech!)
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To: dfwgator

gas stations wont be obsolete for some time to come ...

They’ll be easier to find than lithium ...


95 posted on 09/24/2022 5:35:03 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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