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Millions Of Electric Car Batteries Retiring By 2030, Are We Ready To Deal With What Could Be Ticking Time Bombs?
The Epoch Times ^ | 09/09/2022 | Autumn Spreadmann

Posted on 09/09/2022 8:50:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind

The evolving landscape of lithium batteries is creating both contradictions and infrastructure hurdles that, according to some, need to be addressed sooner rather than later. A critical component of this is waste management.

More than 6 million electric vehicle (EV) battery packs will end up as scrap between now and 2030, and the recycling and reuse industries are racing to keep up. Some researchers project that recycling alone will be an over $12 billion industry by 2025.

U.S. President Joe Biden wants to make America a key player in the EV battery industry with a $3.1 billion spending package for automobile production to transition away from fossil fuels.

Much of this dream is pinned on a dusty stretch of soil in the Nevada high desert called Thacker Pass. It serves as the lynchpin in Biden’s push for increased domestic lithium production and more EV batteries. That’s because Thacker Pass is the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States.

Currently, China dominates the world’s EV battery production, with more than 80 percent of all units developed there.

Yet while Biden’s administration has its sights on the top spot for EV battery production, insiders are pointing out industry trapdoors.
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Thacker Pass, Nev., has the largest hard rock lithium reserve in the United States. (Lithium Americas)

Due to the potentially dangerous chemistry of lithium-ion EV units, concrete solutions are needed before an avalanche of dead battery packs ends up sitting around and waiting for recycling like ticking time bombs.

Those working on the sales end of the EV revolution tend to squirm or offer vague generalities when queried about what will happen to all of the old batteries.

The notion is quickly lumped into the very broad category of recycling or second life applications without offering any planning details.

Second life applications are an option for EV batteries no longer fit to power cars, but are suitable for alternative uses like energy storage.

And while that’s a start, the ultimate question lingers: How can America effectively deal with millions of completely spent, defective, or recalled EV units?

For people who specialize in hazardous waste, handling lithium batteries is a serious subject.

“For me, the biggest challenge I see, especially with second life, is on the safety side,” Scott Thibodeau at Veolia North America told The Epoch Times.

Thibodeau is the general manager of environmental services and solutions at Veolia North America, the second largest hazmat removal service in the United States.

He explained the chemistry of lithium-ion batteries is problematic since they can’t be dumped or recycled as easily as some other materials. This requires particular adaptations within the evolving EV industry to responsibly strip, package, and dispose of old units.

A ‘Thermal Runaway’

“The packing and logistics isn’t easy or cheap,” Thibodeau said.

Moreover, the batteries pose a significant fire hazard.

Tucked within the sprawling Chicago suburbs is the town of Morris, Illinois. Around midday on Jun. 29, 2021, the fire department received a call that a warehouse fire had broken out in a structure that many residents assumed was just an abandoned building. The call came from someone who claimed to be an employee for a company that was storing 200,000 pounds of batteries in the building, most of which were lithium.

Fire Chief Tracey Steffes told reporters that it was the first time his department had ever fought a lithium fire.

Mitigating traditional fires is done by using water or chemicals to cut off the supply of oxygen. However, lithium is unique in that it doesn’t require oxygen to burn. Once ignited, it creates what Thibodeau called a “thermal runaway,” which is incredibly challenging to control.

Once the battery goes into that state, stopping it is next to impossible,” Steffes said to reporters after the June 2021 fire.

Confused Morris residents were quickly evacuated from neighborhoods close to the blaze and spent hours in hotel rooms, watching smoke fill the sky, and fearing for the safety of their homes.

At that moment, residential Americans got an up close and personal look at lithium’s dark side.

It wasn’t the first incident where lithium battery storage turned catastrophic, and it likely won’t be the last.

Thibodeau says that while there’s no easy way to put out a lithium battery fire, having people properly trained on how to reduce the fire risks, combined with proper handling and storage, is a huge step in the right direction.

Recycling EV batteries poses another significant hurdle. That’s due to a trifecta of complications including expense, existing capacity to handle demand, and the simple fact these batteries aren’t easy to recycle.

“Currently, less than five percent of lithium batteries that reach the end of their lifespan are recycled,” a spokesperson for the carbon accounting group Greenly told The Epoch Times.

The representative for Greenly went on to explain that though the potential for ramped up recycling exists, it’s not possible with lithium-ion batteries until they reach the end of their lifespan.

“The industry hasn’t obtained the knowledge or experience necessary to learn how to recycle these batteries or maximize their usage beforehand,” they added.

This is where second life applications come in, which can buy a non-defective EV battery an extra 10 years of life. It also essentially buys the burgeoning recycling companies time to catch up.

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1 posted on 09/09/2022 8:50:40 PM PDT by SeekAndFind
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To: SeekAndFind

Let’s wait for the Tesla salesmen around here to tell us why it won’t be any problem...


2 posted on 09/09/2022 8:52:59 PM PDT by decal (They won't stop, so they'll have to be stopped)
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To: SeekAndFind
No problem. Just throw them on the heaps of windmill blades.

3 posted on 09/09/2022 8:53:39 PM PDT by Governor Dinwiddie (LORD, grant thy people grace to withstand the temptations of the world, the flesh, and the devil.)
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To: SeekAndFind

The Lithium in batteries can’t be economically recycled?


4 posted on 09/09/2022 8:53:56 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind

All recent EV batteries are bar coded to allow automated robotic disassembly


5 posted on 09/09/2022 8:54:45 PM PDT by algore
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To: SeekAndFind

I think they should all be stored in the homes and garages of Public Servants


6 posted on 09/09/2022 8:55:52 PM PDT by eyeamok (founded in cynicism, wrapped in sarcasm)
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To: SeekAndFind

and now we have a solution for staying warm during winter when they shut off the electricity


7 posted on 09/09/2022 8:58:41 PM PDT by joshua c (to disrupt the system, we must disrupt our lives, cut the cable tv)
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To: decal

Stated it since the very beginning on FR: anything you plug into an electrical outlet is an appliance, not a car.


8 posted on 09/09/2022 8:59:14 PM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2008 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: SeekAndFind

“.....”hustle fuels”.....”??????

“Fossil” WAY over corrected?


9 posted on 09/09/2022 9:00:00 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: decal
U.S. President Joe Biden wants to make America a key player in the EV battery industry

Senile Joe's puppeteers are children. They don't have a clue about this.

Remember the curly-cue mercury bomblets [CFL bulbs].

10 posted on 09/09/2022 9:02:32 PM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: SeekAndFind

This is an area where I think the problem will find a solution. If there is money to be made by recycling the batteries, recyclers will be generated to meet the challenge. Unless environmental/business regulations or perverse incentives get in the way, eight years is plenty of time to meet the challenge.

For the record, I see EVs as a niche vehicle if it were not for the heavy hand of government regulations, especially CAFE standards.


11 posted on 09/09/2022 9:06:59 PM PDT by Dr. Sivana (What was 35% of the Rep. Party is now 85%. And it’s too late to turn back—Mac Stipanovich )
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To: Governor Dinwiddie

“Just throw them on the heaps of windmill blades. “

In ‘Rat Congressional Districts only.


12 posted on 09/09/2022 9:10:17 PM PDT by Paladin2
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To: SeekAndFind
There were law suits over three watt cell phone EMI / RFI causing cancer. Exactly what do they think sitting on top of a 4000MW battery for hours at a time is gonna do to you? The entire vehicle wiring harness is a giant loop antenna transmitting 100db H fields at all kinds of harmonics.

My pacemaker manual says I can't run a battery powered weedwhacker without harm. I think that covers EV's too! According to the chart I have in the manual I can't go within 6.3 meters of a charger or the batteries.

13 posted on 09/09/2022 9:12:35 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: SeekAndFind

Oh gee what a shame !!!

My gas driven car will still be running ...

I’ll car pool ...

:)


14 posted on 09/09/2022 9:13:49 PM PDT by Tennessee Nana
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To: SeekAndFind
Expend them at the annual Burning Man.
15 posted on 09/09/2022 9:15:11 PM PDT by Deaf Smith (When a Texan takes his chances, chances will be taken that's for sure.)
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To: SeekAndFind

Supposedly they can be used for energy storage.


16 posted on 09/09/2022 9:15:54 PM PDT by willk (Local news media. Just as dangerous as national media.)
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To: SeekAndFind

https://www.wheelsjoint.com/study-electric-vehicles-are-safe-for-pacemakers/


17 posted on 09/09/2022 9:16:34 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: SeekAndFind

Look at the end of the article. Someone else has to plug and unplug the chargers. The problem isn’t the pacemaker and the pacing to your heart. The problem is the interference causes a factory reset in the programming of your pacemaker. If it detects interference it goes into a safe mode, which is not what is your operating programm.


18 posted on 09/09/2022 9:21:36 PM PDT by blackdog
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To: SeekAndFind

Why not find an active volcano and air drop the batteries into the lava at the top of the cone...


19 posted on 09/09/2022 9:21:57 PM PDT by Rodd OB
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“I can’t go within 6.3 meters of a charger or the batteries”

So THAT’s where the Social Distancing distance came from...

[CDC didn’t do the units conversion...]


20 posted on 09/09/2022 9:23:09 PM PDT by Paladin2
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