Posted on 09/05/2022 2:49:07 PM PDT by millenial4freedom
My answers to the above questions: yes and yes.
Each professor has hundreds of students.
“ Suddenly colleges would be less interested in offering worthless courses, or admitting unqualified students.”
I like that.
Sir,
I don’t know how many professors follow Free Republic? I know that there is at least one, myself who has been a member of this forum since 2001. During the course of my graduate studies, I borrowed $10,000 in Student loans but I paid it back in full.
Your suggestion to broad brush all professors is off base. I teach one upper 600 level class and provide numerous guest lectures when asked. The rest of my tenths are devoted to outreach (Cooperative Extension) and translational research. Unlike the graduates of Social Sciences, the students in my profession (Agriculture-Animal Sciences) to a large degree, find well-paying, productive jobs in our Food-producing industries.
Every year, my colleagues and I prepare a year’s list of our accomplishments and sit done one on one with our Dept chair for a yearly evaluation. Are there colleagues who under perform and get by? Yes, the promotion and tenure process has flaws, especially in a State university system.
I apologize for the rambling. This student loan forgiveness BS pisses me off as well.
MFO
Maybe $10K per student they ripped off. If they are true socialists, their incomes should be capped at the state average income.
Colleges should be the ones guaranteeing loans. There would be fewer worthless degrees.
That’s a good idea, co-signers. If the students don’t get good jobs the universities should help repay the loans.
The universities have become filthy rich in the last twenty years.
There are some poor states where the college towns are like enormous resorts. Not too far away are people living in dire poverty as their industrial base has moved away.
I’m specifically talking about the State of Alabama. Tuscaloosa and Auburn have so much money they don’t really know what to do with it all.
Go to the northwest part of the state or south of Montgomery and there’s poverty everywhere. Those people shouldn’t be asked to help pay for someone else’s gender studies degree.
That’s the ticket if you’re still going to have FedGov in the student loan business.
These colleges favor a wealth tax. An endowment is wealth.
Rather than the Universities getting filthy rich, I will say it is the Athletic programs and the foundations that provide the funding to pay for coaching salaries and, when necessary, to buy the contract out when the coach fails to win.
At my University, we are seeing construction of brand new football facilities while many of the campus buildings are falling into disrepair or dealing w asbestos resolution.
It’s all circus and peanuts.
And sky boxes!!
NOPE!!!!
But universities should fire woke “diversity, equity.and inclusion” administrators, and eliminate “DEI” programs completely!!!!
You are painting with a pretty broad brush. Not all college professors are leftwing Democrats and professors have little influence and zero control over university policies. Some professors at big-name universities may get high salaries but a lot of professors at regional state universities or small private colleges don’t. It’s the administrators and athletic directors who make the big bucks.
Salaries inflate with ability to increase tuition. I suggest $10K deduction from annual salary of all full-time faculty and administration.
They all support and benefit from a sick and evil system.
Why should colleges be responsible for the poor performance and subject choices of students? Isn't that just like punishing the Ford Motor Company when a driver gets into a wreck due to his own fault?
> Why should colleges be responsible for the poor performance and subject choices of students? <
Colleges are simply not honest with students. Sure, students need to do their own due diligence. But an 18-year-old student is no match for a smooth-talking college advisor.
Many, many years ago I was a college freshman (this was after working in a steel mill that went bust). I chose chemistry as a major.
So there I am at the advisor center, reading over a sheet that described the major. At the bottom was a list of things you could do as a chemistry graduate. It was an impressive and comforting list.
Then out of curiosity I picked up the sheet for political science. That is a very weak degree, with few opportunities. But the sheet listed opportunities that was longer than the one for chemistry!
The political science department needs students to survive, so they lied to get new recruits.
I cannot blame a naive student for looking at that political science sheet, then choosing political science as a major. But he was lied to. So it’s not all his fault when he cannot find professional work after graduation.
$5k from the profs, the rest from the administration/endowments. The admins are just as culpable.
Good idea. Especially in the South college football is nothing more than the NFL’s minor leagues.
I sympathize with your points, but you might want to reconsider some of them, based upon some underlying trends:
Tuition has consistently risen faster than inflation.
Administrator pay has consistently risen faster than tuition.
Faculty pay has consistently risen slower than inflation. In many years there are absolutely no faculty pay raises at most universities.
“Liberal arts” graduates struggle with finding jobs that will enable them to pay off their student loans.
Business and science graduate usually find jobs that will enable them to pay off their student loans.
Most of the teaching loads for lib arts faculty members are not in junior/senior or graduate hours, but in repeating things the students were SUPPOSED to have learned in high school. But if business and science faculty members point this out, they are hit by Woke lib arts faculty
To illustrate the point, many years ago my students asked me very pointedly, “Is it true that tuition is going up AGAIN next year?” Having absolutely no input to the university planning process (in spite of accreditors finding that my institution practices “shared governance”) I replied, “Probably, but I can promise you that I won’t see a dime of it.” And sure enough, I didn’t see a dime of it nor did any of my colleagues. That is the way it has been nine times out of ten over the last thirty years of my teaching college at both private and public institutions. At least my students get jobs. That is one of the rewarding parts of teaching.
Student loans are a terrible idea. MOST universities have exploited them to build bigger athletic facilities, erect unneeded dorms, and impose extremely high fixed costs on the institution in order to finance them. Virtually no university these days, from Podunk Baptist to Stanford, uses tuition or bond issues to enhance academics. It all goes to fund more playpurties (or service the debt on existing playpurties).
Universities are some of the few types of businesses (and they are businesses, just very poorly run businesses) that have both a high degree of operating leverage and a high degree of financial leverage.
All thanks to our Uncle Sam.
Sorry about the rant.
Everybody wants to be Alabama (which actually makes good profit from football) but very few can get there.
“10% additional federal tax on the incomes of the workers of any institution that collects federal education money.”
You’re talking about your tax dollars replacing the loans. Shouldn’t the people that voted these morons into office that made this type of stupid act be a better choice than going after the people that make guns when someone is shot? It all comes down to how much does it have to hurt to take action to hit the people that did this? And that includes the students who made the loans from the private loaning industries along with the government grant money.
Look at inflation. Did you see a different price schedule in the 1920s than you did in the 1930’s. That’s called progress until it hurts people to do it. And it happens all the time with each changing economy.
So by taxing the people that had little to do with it so the government can use that money in a slush fund for their little projects is rewarding them handing them worth they had no investment in. Don’t give them gifts. Vote them out of office.
wy69
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