Posted on 09/03/2022 7:21:52 AM PDT by SaxxonWoods
Once the full scale of Ukrainian losses in their counter offensive becomes widely known, the political divisions within the Zelensky government are likely to grow. There is a video online in Ukrainian with a Ukrianian General stating that Ukrainian losses are “hundreds of thousands.” This is a fact that will not remain hidden and will add to the turmoil swirling around Zelensky. How long will the Ukrainian people continue to support a policy where their husbands and sons are being used as cannon fodder? That is a critical indicator to monitor during September.
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Dude, good news!
I read that some munitions factories are looking for worker.
Willing to pay top wages too.
‘Ukraine hunts for British factories to deliver artillery shells as counter-attack burns through supply’
https://www.telegraph.co.uk/business/2022/09/02/ukraine-hunts-british-factories-deliver-artillery-shells-counter/
As the numbers continue to increase:
“Total Ukrainian losses during a counterattack on Kherson and landing on Energodar from 29 August to 1 September”
https://t.me/Slavyangrad/6953
The Battle of Kursk was substantially larger than the Battle of the Bulge. Far greater numbers of battle hardened troops were involved and almost 10 times the number of tanks.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_the_Bulge
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Kursk
Casualties in Ukraine have always been suspiciously low. Battles in which 10,000 men are killed in a day have been routinely fought for at least 2000 years.
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Battle_of_Cannae#Casualties
The pro Russian propagandists here are ridiculous because they scream that every Ukraine victory is a lie and every action is an incredible Russian success.
Regarding this attempted counteroffensive. It certainly didn’t achieve a break through to the city as yet.
Sounds like casualties are high.
Seems they moved into a few villages.
Are they attempting offensive action too soon? Or is it a planned step by step advance?
These aren’t the best Russian troops and they are somewhat cut off from resupply.
So we don’t know yet. I thought a persuasive article was the one saying Ukraine needed to take a year or longer to train and grow its military before going on the offensive.
But war is hell and it’s unpredictable.
“Are they attempting offensive action too soon? Or is it a planned step by step advance”
Given Russian superior heavy artillery and ammo availability, taking and holding useless villages seems unwise. Ukraine was doing well when it used the old Rat Patrol TV show method of strike and move, stay mobile, let the other side guard territory.
Ukraine is winning and winning big. These numbers are Putin Propaganda only, Russian Troops are fleeing in all direction. Its not over yet—watch for new breakthroughs coming as well as Partisan uprisings in Invader controlled territories cut the heart out of the Russian lie—that they are winning! This is Like Tet in Viet Nam. Proof that Russia can not win and will force them to pull out. It will be over in months but Ukraine Victory is assured! Don’t believe Putin Lies! Send more money to Ukraine—30 more Billion will win the day! More weapons too. The Attack is not done!
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BTW....Russia gave the IEAA security protection in and out of the Nuclear plant. Un spokesman said that apparently Ukraine tried to sabotage the site in hopes of using IEAA folks as human shields to regain the area....they were grateful to Russia for keeping the IEAA mission safe and the area secured
https://twitter.com/ArthurM40330824/status/1565451581897809920
1) There are blogs from both sides that fill with comments on each article, and within the comments will be claims, or links to other blogs. Then another blog will link to that comment. The war discussion then becomes full of cross posted, self referential statements that somehow are transformed into “information” or “data” and quoted as such.
2) The Clauswitz theory of the defense having advantage in warfare was an era before satellite recon quotes of positional latitude/longitude and precise GPS or GLONASS guided guided munitions. If the defense has to be stationary to defend something, it can be targeted intensely. Attacking forces can be on the move. Guided munitions from the other side hits lat/long positions vacated.
3) Counter battery artillery is similarly rendered ineffective. Incoming munitions are guided. They maneuver. Tracking a ballistic trajectory back to launch point is impossible because the trajectory is no longer ballistic. A maneuvering item provides no information about launch point.
4) War has changed. Satellite recon is overwhelming in importance. You cannot mass troops to do anything without being seen. There is no surprise anymore. This is the first war fought with excellent satellite imagery available to both sides. It makes for a very bloody war. No one will move until they kill off enough troops to eliminate resistance, because that other side has all the same tools of recon and guidance.
That's just a flat-out lie. While 10,000 dead in a single day's battle has happened, it isn't anything close to "routine". Depending on sources, you might be able to find 3-4 such instances during all of WW2.
Pre-modern battles like Cannae are far different because you had incredibly high concentrations of forces in a much smaller area, which just doesn't happen in modern warfare.
What we do know is that both sides have suffered a comparatively high rate of overall casualties -- dead/wounded/missing -- to the point where they both have lost a lot of their offensive capability. Kind of like two heavyweights with dead arms in the 12th round.
It's possible that one side or the other may do a better job of bringing in replacements, but that's tough to know.
Well I figure if they’re reporting the hospitals are overflowing as well as the morgues it’s a pretty strong conclusion they’re getting hammered.
Fighting to protect Democrat Party secrets.
If Russia continues to press the invasion and are willing to lose whatever it takes then I imagine you are correct. But what kind of victory will it be. My big takeaway is Russia was considered 2 or third most powerful ground and air military now I am not sure they are the most powerful in the region. If they assault like they did a nation like Poland( which I believe would be impossible now but lest say before Ukraine invasion)they they would lose. Of course there is the nuclear option but that is another discussion
Looking ahead, who benefits the most from a weakened Russia? My bet is Turkey. A strong Soviet Union/Russia was the only thing keeping Turkey from trying to re-establish The Ottoman Empire.
Totally false propaganda - Russian 45th special forces brigade (about 800-1000) almost totally encircled and cut off in the Davydiv Brid area.
UA also broke through the Russian lines still further east and found no Russian forces behind them.
All Russian attempts at counter-attack have failed. The western region around Kherson remains stable.
Slightly off topic, but speaking of World War I casualties, I’m reading a book now that has an excuse for the Gallipoli campaign. It’s about Allenby’s campaigns against the Turks, but suggests that Gallipoli was actually intended to take Turkish pressure off the Suez Canal and Mesopotamia. It’s early in the book. “How Jerusalem was Won, W.T. Massey, London, 1919. (Free Ebook). That’s not something I’ve run across in any modern history.
I’m sure that would have been one of the goals of taking Gallipoli, of course the other was having a path to The Black Sea to aid the Russians.
I’ve been binge watching “The Great War” on YT for the past few weeks. I’m up to April 1916.
Yea, and that really is the problem that the Ukraine, and the Soros media has, their Propaganda is lousy!
I agree with your take re casualties.
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