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Could Tiny Blood Clots Cause Long COVID’s Puzzling Symptoms?
Nature ^ | 24 August 2022 | Cassandra Willyard

Posted on 08/24/2022 3:31:21 PM PDT by nickcarraway

Scientists debate evidence for a micro-clot hypothesis that has some people pursuing potentially risky treatments.

When Lara Hawthorne, an illustrator in Bristol, UK, began developing strange symptoms after having COVID-19, she hoped that they weren’t due to the virus. Her initial illness had been mild. “I’ve been triple vaccinated. I felt quite protected,” she says. But months later, she was still sick with a variety of often debilitating symptoms: earaches, tinnitus, congestion, headaches, vertigo, heart palpitations, muscle pain and more. On some days, Hawthorne felt so weak that she could not get out of bed. When she finally saw her physician, the diagnosis was what she had been dreading: long COVID.

Unable to find relief, she became increasingly desperate. After reading an opinion piece in The Guardian newspaper about how blood clots might be to blame for long COVID symptoms, Hawthorne contacted a physician in Germany who is treating people with blood thinners and a procedure to filter the blood. She hasn’t heard back yet — rumour has it that people stay on the waiting list for months — but if she has the opportunity to head there for these unproven treatments, she probably will. “I don’t want to wait on my health when I’m feeling so dreadful,” she says.

Researchers are baffled by long COVID: hundreds of studies have tried to unpick its mechanism, without much success. Now some scientists, and an increasing number of people with the condition, have been lining up behind the as-yet-unproven hypothesis that tiny, persistent clots might be constricting blood flow to vital organs, resulting in the bizarre constellation of symptoms that people experience.

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TOPICS: Business/Economy; Health/Medicine
KEYWORDS: blood; clots; covid; covid19; no
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To: Republican Wildcat

“...Causing Long COVID in people who never took it and long before the vaccine existed!”

As FR is known for requiring posters to cite sources for their claims, please cite a medical peer reviewed SOURCE for something called “long covid” prior to the “vaccines”....as you claim.

...no source reply from you will be considered a b.s. claim by you...AND YOU will BE OUTED for nonesnse postings.

...that is all


21 posted on 08/24/2022 6:01:37 PM PDT by SheepWhisperer (My enemy saw me on my knees, head bowed and thought they had won until I rose up and said Amen!)
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To: T.B. Yoits

Dead people clot. If you don’t move your limbs and body, you will clot. Blood left standing, clots. You don’t need an infection or an mRNA or DNA vaccine to clot if you are dead.
Lividity in corpses is a very well known phenomenon.


22 posted on 08/24/2022 8:42:08 PM PDT by Getready (Wisdom is more valuable than gold and diamonds, and harder to find.)
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To: SheepWhisperer
First report of term long Covid here. From article date 18 October 2020. Refers to the term having started in May 2020.

How and why patients made Long Covid(Dated January 2021)

First Covid vaccines in USA was from Pfizer on 15 Dec 2020.

Look, I don't have a dog in this fight. I took the vax but still got Covid 2X. I wish I hadn't got the vax--it was useless for me. We know so much more since early 2021. I think the vaccines should be pulled and discontinued. But I first heard the term Long Covid before any vax was available. Let's everyone be honest.

23 posted on 08/24/2022 8:42:37 PM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: Getready
Yes, dead people clot but these morticians and embalmers are reporting that they've never seen anything like this before.

What changed? experimental shots designed to rewrite DNA and reprogram cells.

24 posted on 08/24/2022 8:45:39 PM PDT by T.B. Yoits
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To: Getready

When a family member died last March (not COVID related) I was in charge of the funeral arrangements.

I said to the funeral director/embalmer “This might be my only opportunity to ask someone on the front lines about what I have heard/seen regarding long rubbery clots, sometimes over a foot long that prevent the normal flush of the circulatory system so embalming fluids could be introduced. Is it true?”

He said, “It is true. We are seeing so many strange things associated with this disease that we have never seen before and just don’t understand.”


25 posted on 08/25/2022 3:01:51 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: Getready

BTW, the gentleman I asked has been embalming decedents since 1980. In 42 years, he, and others in the funeral home business have never seen anything like the strange things they have seen COVID.

No wonder he looked unnerved when speaking about it.


26 posted on 08/25/2022 3:18:03 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: Getready

*since COVID (way past my bedtime.)


27 posted on 08/25/2022 3:20:08 AM PDT by sockmonkey (Conservative. Not a Neocon.)
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To: Alas Babylon!

Or, the commonality between COVID-1984 and the jabs, the spike protein, is causing the blood clots.


28 posted on 08/25/2022 7:22:05 AM PDT by grey_whiskers (The opinions are solely those of the author and are subject to change without notice.)
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To: ransomnote

And also documented to be caused sometimes by natural infections (probably because both are introducing spike proteins into your system). Either one can produce similar symptoms.


29 posted on 08/25/2022 7:31:45 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: nickcarraway

The wife and I have it. Its actually after effects from the Fauci flu.

Suffering from this bastard since July 23rd.

Constant chest congestion and coughing, feeling like shit for about half the day, sometimes confusion, and heart pounding. EVERY DAY.

Really nothing can be done other than taking aspirin and using my albuteral/symbicort inhalers.


30 posted on 08/25/2022 7:33:37 AM PDT by crz
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To: Alas Babylon!

“So, it isn’t the jab that causes Long Covid...”

That’s not a supportable conclusion from the data. You should be concluding instead: “it can’t only be the jab that causes Long Covid”. Some people get the same symptoms from the virus with no vaccination, and some people get the same symptoms from the vaccination with no virus. So either one seems to be able to cause the same condition.


31 posted on 08/25/2022 7:34:00 AM PDT by Boogieman
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To: Alas Babylon!

Right you are. I took one shot and I got it. My brothers took none and they have it. My wife took both shots and got it.


32 posted on 08/25/2022 7:37:46 AM PDT by crz
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To: Getready

One autopsy was done within 4 hours of death showing the clots that contained material other than blood. Posted previously.


33 posted on 08/25/2022 8:29:14 AM PDT by RideForever (Oh damn! Another dangling par ...)
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To: Republican Wildcat
"The time travelling vaccine strikes yet again! Causing Long COVID in people who never took it and long before the vaccine existed!"

They have been spraying the nano-particles for decades:


34 posted on 08/25/2022 8:38:58 AM PDT by TexasGator (ice )
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To: ransomnote

Motorcycle deaths have been documented occurring within 7 days of a healthy person receiving a single vaccination.


35 posted on 08/25/2022 8:42:19 AM PDT by TexasGator (ice )
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To: ransomnote
You are correct that Hawthorne is tripled vaxxed, however, the study being referred to in the article was done early in the pandemic by Kell and Pretorius:

When the pandemic hit in 2020, Kell and Pretorius applied their methods almost immediately to people who had been infected with SARS-CoV-2. “We thought to look at clotting in COVID, because that is what we do,” Pretorius says. Their assay uses a special dye that fluoresces when it binds to amyloid proteins, including misfolded fibrin. Researchers can then visualize the glow under a microscope. The team compared plasma samples from 13 healthy volunteers, 15 people with COVID-19, 10 people with diabetes and 11 people with long COVID3. For both long COVID and acute COVID-19, Pretorius says, the clotting “was much more than we have previously found in diabetes or any other inflammatory disease”. In another study4, they looked at the blood of 80 people with long COVID and found micro-clots in all of the samples.

So far, Pretorius, Kell and their colleagues are the only group that has published results on micro-clots in people with long COVID.

Kell and Pretorius have received a grant to study whether this same clotting occurs with Covid patients who have been vaccinated:

Where these micro-clots come from isn’t entirely clear. But Pretorius and Kell think that the spike protein, which SARS-CoV-2 uses to enter cells, might be the trigger in people with long COVID. When they added the spike protein to plasma from healthy volunteers in the laboratory, that alone was enough to prompt formation of these abnormal clots6.

If the spike protein is the trigger for abnormal clots, that raises the question of whether COVID-19 vaccines, which contain the spike or instructions for making it, can induce them as well. There’s currently no direct evidence implicating spike from vaccines in forming clots, but Pretorius and Kell have received a grant from the South African Medical Research Council to study the issue. (Rare clotting events associated with the Oxford–AstraZeneca vaccine are thought to happen through a different mechanism (Nature 596, 479–481; 2021).)

It is good news that researchers are beginning to look into long Covid and what causes it and give relief to those suffering from it.

36 posted on 08/25/2022 9:09:54 AM PDT by I want to know
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To: Boogieman
“it can’t only be the jab that causes Long Covid”.

Fair enough.

I think another (or additional) possibility is the ChiComs/Fauci gain-of-function put something really nasty in there that the jab might also do on its own...

37 posted on 08/25/2022 10:07:43 AM PDT by Alas Babylon! (Rush, we're missing your take on all of this!)
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To: I want to know

Since I believe Covid vaccines are biowarfare, I accept as plausible the theory put forth by a physician that in fall of 2019, the Covid ‘vaccine’ was administered to persons seeking one of 3 other vaccines (they didn’t know - they asked for another of 3 vaxxes and were dosed with the Covid vax). I think MERS was one of the vaccines in question. They did this to avoid microclotting showing up ONLY after the jabs, by introducing it at the same time they introduced the Covid pandemic.

They could have just substituted other agents in the adjuvant in fall of 2019 to make it look like it occurred with ‘Covid’ pandemic, which cause microclotting (toxic in the ‘vaccine’ including PEG or graphene oxide).

There’s the other theory - that the spike proteins in Covid had to be present in overwhelming numbers in some people to mimic the overproduction of spike proteins in the vax.


38 posted on 08/25/2022 1:41:24 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: TexasGator
In the General/Chat forum, on a thread titled Could Tiny Blood Clots Cause Long COVID’s Puzzling Symptoms?, TexasGator wrote:

Motorcycle deaths have been documented occurring within 7 days of a healthy person receiving a single vaccination.

But there's no comparable correlation between the time of vaccination and the time of motorcycle deaths. Below, the reports of deaths entered into the CDC's vaccine database are shown - this first chart compares the post vax reports of death following Covid 'vaccination' to those reported post flu vaccination. Note most reports of Death following Covid vaccination occur within the first 3 days - that's not something you see with motorcycle deaths. If the Covid vax was unrelated to reports of death, the bar graph would have bars of roughly/randomly equal height.

If motorcycle deaths ever increased at the rate death increased following Covid 'vaccinations' it would be illegal to ride motorcycles. Below, all vaccines entered in to VAERS to date - Covid 'vaccination' reports of death dwarf the combined reports of death for all other vaccines for the past 30 years, despite the threats to those reporting them in the current political climate. And VAERS traditionally receives 1% of all actual reports of death. Doctors and nurses are pressured not to report anything to VAERS for Covid vaccines - so the picture is actual worse in real life. Read the news, everyone knows this by now.

https://openvaers.com/covid-data/mortality


39 posted on 08/25/2022 1:59:43 PM PDT by ransomnote (IN GOD WE TRUST)
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To: ransomnote

How many of those were in elder-care with pre-existing condition?


40 posted on 08/25/2022 2:37:45 PM PDT by TexasGator (ice )
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