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LOL: Test of Brand New EV Ends in Failure after Just 70 Miles
https://trendingpolitics.com ^ | JULY 22, 2022 | Staff

Posted on 07/22/2022 6:38:50 AM PDT by Red Badger

Want to get an electric car? Well, if you want to drive that upgraded golf cart more than a few miles to work and back, you might need to think again, particularly if you’re thinking you might want to drive it at typical highway speeds.

Such is what Car and Driver found in its hilarious review of the new, electric Mazda MX-30. And that’s not some old EV that should be resigned to the scrap heap at this point…it’s the 2022 model of the car.

As background, the MX-30 is designed to be an EV for the average American worker that has to commute to his or her place of work. According to Mazda, it’s meant for a daily commute of about 30 miles in typical city/suburb terrain (so no big inclines) and with opportunities for charging it up at each end of the daily commute.

So it might be fine for commuting to work if your workplace isn’t all that far away, but, as Car and Driver found, it’s wholly unsuitable for anything else, as the car was running low on battery after a miserable 70 miles.

Yes, really. According to the review, despite having an EPA range estimate of 100 miles between charges, it only went a very unimpressive 70 miles in a 75-mile-per-hour road test.

The review might have put the car’s failure to go more than a negligible distance in even harsher terms, saying:

The argument can be made that the average owner doesn’t need more than 100 miles of range, but we aren’t going to make it. It’s 2022—we’re seeing 500 miles from electric cars, and 200 miles should be expected. The MX-30 offers an EPA-estimated 100 miles of total range; we made it only 70 miles in our 75-mph highway test. Even worse, the MX-30’s 76 MPGe for those 70 miles of highway driving is less efficient than far more powerful EVs. The Model S Plaid got 91 MPGe in the same highway test, for example. Recharging at a Level 3 charger, it can get 80 percent topped up in 36 minutes; this takes 2 hours, 50 minutes at a Level 2. Our ride from home to the test-drive site and back wouldn’t have been a possible round trip in the MX-30. Mazda does offer 10 days of no-cost loans of other vehicles from its fleet for the first three years of ownership, but who wants to swap cars any time you want to leave your neighborhood?

“Wouldn’t have been possible” isn’t really what you want to hear in a review, particularly when regarding the very reasonable idea that the car should be able to make it to a test facility and back without too much trouble.

But, of course, it’s what the review found because the new EV just isn’t that capable; the laws of physics can’t be ignored, so the ~$35,000 car can only make it the equivalent of my truck, a 2013 F-150, with four gallons of gas (about 80 miles).

That’s not only embarrassing, but it shows the problem with electric cars: they can’t go very far and, even if they might have a huge battery pack that drags them somewhere to the range of a typical car (~500 miles), it takes hours to charge them up.

Oh, and whereas Tesla’s at least have the redeeming feature of being fun to drive because they accelerate like a rocket ship, the Mazda can’t even do that, as the review noted, saying:

Mazda’s EV is currently only available with a single motor making 143 horsepower and 200 lb-ft of torque. It’s zippy enough around town, but on the highway, or even some of the wider, meaner streets of Los Angeles County, you won’t be passing any Teslas—or even Chevy Bolts. At the test track, it took a lazy 8.7 seconds to get the MX-30 up to 60 mph. The CX-30 does it in 7.6 seconds, while other similarly sized electric SUVs such as the single-motor ID.4 and the Hyundai Kona Electric do it in 7.6 and 6.3 seconds, respectively. It’s even worse at freeway speeds: Accelerating from 50 to 70 mph takes 5.3 seconds, which feels like an eternity on an onramp. Top speed is a mere 91 mph. This sluggishness is somewhat expected given the MX-30’s $34,695 starting price, which is slightly more than a Chevy Bolt EUV’s yet less than what it takes to unlock the ID.4 and Kona. Our well-equipped example cost $38,600. We tend to accept a certain lethargy in small gas engines in return for fuel economy or a low buy-in price, but electric motors need to make up for their lack of fun noises with fun acceleration. The drivetrain in the MX-30 feels detuned, maybe to stretch the range of its small 32.0-kWh battery pack, which leads us to our next performance demerit.

Yikes. Looks like combustion engines still have a reason to stick around after all.


TOPICS: Business/Economy; Outdoors; Sports; Travel
KEYWORDS: automotive; car; electric; epa; ev; mazda; mileage; mx30; ymmv
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To: cyclotic

Yeah. The price makes them stupid.


121 posted on 07/22/2022 9:12:34 AM PDT by cuban leaf (My prediction: Harris is Spiro Agnew. We'll soon see who becomes Gerald Ford, and our next prez.)
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To: ProtectOurFreedom

“The excerpt doesn’t say, but I’ll bet those results are without AC or cabin heater running. It’ll get worse from there.”

Car and Driver does all their range tests with A/C on and set to 72.


122 posted on 07/22/2022 9:14:13 AM PDT by Wayne07
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To: Red Badger

The Truth about EV’s in the real world where the numbers can’t be rigged.

And when the gas truck has 150,000 miles it will perform just as well. Not so for the EV. I don’t believe that Ford EV could make 100,000 miles under those conditions. Not without a battery replacement.


123 posted on 07/22/2022 9:16:39 AM PDT by Revel
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To: The Great RJ

Last winter I got caught in a winter storm traffic jam in Virginia. I virtually sat still for ten hours, then made slow movement for about another five. When I hit the traffic jam, I was at 1/4 tank in my F-150. Somewhere in the five hour stint I was able to fill up. (The storm caused a fifty-mile circumference power outage too)

I never had the slightest concern of running out of gas. Imagine running into that kind of jam up when the EV wasn’t chock full of power. Heck, imagine if it was full.

Had another one last week that lasted over an hour and a half just sitting still


124 posted on 07/22/2022 9:24:39 AM PDT by cyclotic (Follow 1776Restorationmovent.com fighting for our Constitution. @1776RM on Truth)
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To: marktwain
Kind of a hit piece on the Mazda.

Indeed. The test used in the review does not reflect the stated design goals. But, as others have pointed out, charging at work for the commute home will be a logistical nightmare.

125 posted on 07/22/2022 9:49:13 AM PDT by NonValueAdded ("hold my phone; I'm from Alaska")
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To: Red Badger
The argument can be made that the average owner doesn’t need more than 100 miles of range

Whoever the hell believes that doesn't live in a flyover state. Only the east coast elites have their chauffeur drive them that far.

126 posted on 07/22/2022 10:07:59 AM PDT by pfflier
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To: Red Badger

It might be good for the kids to play with in the driveway 🤪


127 posted on 07/22/2022 10:11:16 AM PDT by NWFree (Somebody has to say it)
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To: Red Badger

This isn’t even good for driving in larger urban areas. If I drove the length of Chicago south to north, I would barely have enough juice to make it back.


128 posted on 07/22/2022 10:13:40 AM PDT by Southside_Chicago_Republican (The more I learn about people, the more I like my dog. )
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To: MeneMeneTekelUpharsin
On top of that, seems EV-drivers are probably less likely to be carrying a firearm of some type.

(Oh I know, some Freeper EV-fan will chime in telling me they carry a handgun and EV's are great, blah, blah, woof, woof)

129 posted on 07/22/2022 10:38:25 AM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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To: marktwain

I understand your point.

Tesla is the only foreign vehicle manufacturer allowed to function with no Chinese pardner and loss of effective control. At present Tesla is said to be unique in that regard.

It will be interesting to see how things play out.


130 posted on 07/22/2022 11:10:07 AM PDT by bert ( (KWE. NP. N.C. +12) Juneteenth is inequality day)
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To: Red Badger
According to Mazda, it’s meant for a daily commute of about 30 miles in typical city/suburb terrain (so no big inclines) and with opportunities for charging it up at each end of the daily commute.

I guess I'd have to get a diesel generator to charge it while I'm at work. My office complex doesn't have any charging stations.

131 posted on 07/22/2022 11:28:31 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: Secret Agent Man

My niece used to call my mom “granmugger”.


132 posted on 07/22/2022 11:37:46 AM PDT by gitmo (If your theology doesn't become your biography, what good is it?)
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To: gitmo

:)


133 posted on 07/22/2022 12:48:30 PM PDT by Secret Agent Man (Gone Galt; not averse to Going Bronson.)
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To: bert

I have respect for Musk even though I think he is a whack-job, has his mouth on the teat of both Communist China and the US Government, and has some completely weird views on trans-humanism and such, but...he gets things done. That counts for a lot.

I don’t think he is a conservative, but I appreciate his stance on Freedom of Speech. That counts for a lot.

So that said, I think Tesla’s are nice as long as you aren’t in it when it catches fire, and don’t have to pay with your own money (or MY money) for the vehicle.

It is nice to have an industrialist who can build something tangible instead of making his fortune on crappy software that people have to have (Gates) or running an online store (Bezos).


134 posted on 07/22/2022 2:12:20 PM PDT by rlmorel (Nolnah's Razor: Never attribute to incompetence that which is adequately explained by malice.)
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To: Red Badger

65 miles one way is way too long for me. Even if you assume highway driving the entire way, that’s 500 hours per year (20 entire days per year) you are effectively working unpaid, plus gas and wear/tear/maintenance on vehicle costs. My current job (35 min each way 3 days a week) is about as much as I’d go and I only did that because it was $100k/yr pre-tax more than my prior job. At that distance, it would be significantly cheaper to buy another home near work and just rent out the old home / sell old home.


135 posted on 07/23/2022 5:36:33 AM PDT by rb22982
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To: Psalm 73

Coal is less than 22% of the U.S. Power grid at least get that part right. Here are the 2021 numbers directly from the DOE.

Energy source Billion kWh Share of total
Total - all sources 4,116
Fossil fuels (total) 2,504 60.8%
Natural gas 1,575 38.3%
Coal 899 21.8%
Petroleum (total) 19 0.5%
Petroleum liquids 11 0.3%
Petroleum coke 7 0.2%
Other gases3 11 0.3%
Nuclear 778 18.9%
Renewables (total) 826 20.1%
Wind 380
9.2%
Hydropower 260 6.3%
Solar (total) 115 2.8%
Photovoltaic 112 2.8%
Solar thermal 3 0.1%
Biomass (total) 55 1.3%
Wood 37 0.9%
Landfill gas 10 0.2%
Municipal solid waste (biogenic) 0.2%
Other biomass waste 2 0.1%
Geothermal 16 0.4%


136 posted on 07/23/2022 1:27:57 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: Hillarys Gate Cult

I just picked up front pads, rotors and hardware for my 86.5 Nissan Hardbody for $68 total. The pads definitely are good quality. Will have to wait and see if the rotors warp, but I don’t expect they will as I drive it very gently.


137 posted on 07/23/2022 1:41:39 PM PDT by steve86 (Prophecies of Maelmhaedhoc O'Morgair (Latin form: Malachy))
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To: cll

I have a CX 30 Select with AWD and the Skyactive G power plant. I also have a CX 5. The 30 is a lot more fun to drive but has really tight back seats. The CX 5 is much quieter inside and has quite a bit more room. That said I will probably keep the CX 30 when it comes off lease for about $16,000 and roll the 5 into a CX 50 or the bigger option. I’ve had several Mazdas since 2018 and all have been problem free and a pleasure to own.


138 posted on 07/23/2022 1:47:15 PM PDT by Woodman
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To: The Great RJ

I leased a Model S 90D for a year. I routinely took.it to Houston, Midland and New Orleans. There are super chargers along every major interstate at 50 to 100 mile increments I never needed more than a 15 min charge to get to either the next charger or my destination. Typically I would drive 3 hours then stop as that’s the limits of my bladder not the car. I would charge after 220 miles or so and 3 hours in the seat stopping for 15 min grab some snacks take a leak and get the blood going on the legs. Teslas effectively drive themselves on the highways they keep the lane, slow down and speed up with traffic flow and can change lanes all hands off. I usually stream Netflix on my tablet and let the car drive 90% of the time.

As for resale value you tell me.

https://www.carvana.com/cars/tesla

Power in Texas was 8 cents per kWh on 24 month contracts. A Model S goes 4 miles on one kWh in city driving which is where 99% of my driving is. I have seen as low as 180 watt hours per mile in bumper to bumper grid lock EVs get better mileage in slow traffic exactly opposite to an idling ICE. that was also in 90f temps with the AC on Teslas cool the driver and the seat if you are solo it’s very little energy used even with the blower on the heat pump is very efficient. 4 miles per kWh is avg and that was my long term avg usage. So 8 cents gets you.four miles of distance that’s 2 cents per mile in energy costs. I have a similarly sized luxury car that gets 30 mpg combined.

For that car to have the same fuel cost per mile gasoline would have to cost 60 cents per gallon. Texas retail energy price is now 15 cents per kWh thanks to Brandon even at those prices it’s only 3.75 cents per mile, again driving a 30mpg vehicle gas would need to be $1.12 per gallon to equal 3.75 cents per mile.

I saw $3.65/gal today at Sam’s Club that’s 12.1 cents per mile@30mpg electricity would need to retail for 48.6 cents per kWh to be equal not even Germany or Spain pays that much certainly no where in the lower 48 pays anywhere near 50 cents per kWh.

Teslas are fine vehicles they are not for the middle class never were meant to be. They are luxury vehicles for the upper middle and upper classes it really is that simple. Translation don’t be a poor. Mazda are garbage. They should just add a small rotary engine generator to this sized EV and then you can burn E85 while having hundreds of more miles range. Oh wait they plan to do exactly that. Why E85? It keeps the greens happy and you can up the turbo boost for sick levels of power density. Rotary engines love turbos the exhaust energy of a rotary is turbine like perfect for driving a turbo charger. My RX7 back in the day had boost levels that would have blown a piston engine happy as a clam reving to 9000 rpm too. Rotary power!

https://cleantechnica.com/2022/04/28/mazdas-mx-30-with-rotary-range-extender-why-im-looking-forward-to-it-next-year/


139 posted on 07/23/2022 1:48:49 PM PDT by JD_UTDallas ("Veni Vidi Vici" )
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To: JD_UTDallas
"Coal is less than 22% of the U.S. Power grid, at least get that part right."

What are you talking about?

1) Coal is 22% of NATIONAL power generation - some locales it is 95+%.

2) And numbers directly from the Department of Energy? Would that be the same DOE headed by Jenifer (Dating Game) Granholm? I'd trust her data about as far as I could throw Fauci.

3) So your point is, what, electric vehicles are our future?

They can have my internal combustion engine when they can pry my cold, dead fingers from the steering wheel.

140 posted on 07/23/2022 7:24:27 PM PDT by Psalm 73 ("You'll never hear surf music again" - J. Hendrix)
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