Posted on 07/18/2022 1:02:13 PM PDT by Dr. Franklin
Recording made in 1947 when he was 101 years old as an oral history of the American Civil War, (or the War Between the States, as it is known in South). This man joined the 24th Virginia Calvary in 1862 at the age of 16 and and half. He was eventually taken prisoner in the Spring of 1965 at what must have been the Battle of Hillsman's House since her refers to Gen. Ewell's surrender. He was held at Point Lookout, Maryland until the end of the war.
He is quite emphatic that the South didn't fight for "the preservation or extension of slavery", but for states rights. When he begins by reminiscing about the "early 50's", he was, of course, referring to the 1850's.
And Sherman still rots in Hell all day everyday. š
That's what the Hemmings story is like. Jefferson's opponents went around saying, "You know Jefferson is a widower and gets lonely. Why, they say he's actually fallen in love with his slave woman. He even takes her to galas with her dressed to the nine's and introduces her not as his servant, but his girlfriend! Is this who you want running your country? He even takes her abroad and does this!! What a horrible representation of our country! Some say he'd marry her if the state would allow it!!!"
Of course, if those allegations were true then today we'd say that Jefferson was ahead of his time. Me, I don't want to give Jefferson credit for that part because, again, I read years ago that the entirety of the Hemmings story came from Jefferson's political opponents anyway. So I neither shame him for it (today's Jefferson haters go so far as to say he raped her) nor applaud him for it (if as the original rumor tellers say it he was ahead of his time for being color blind in love). The source of the information is questionable at best, flat out lies at worst.
Also this got hyped during the time of Slick Willie’s serial sexual escapades.
As I remember the DNA evidence regarding Jefferson to male members of Jefferson’s family. If I remember this right he had brother - Peter, who had a local rep of dalliance with the servants. Given that the weight of guilt falls on him.
Agreed. And I can’t believe I’m taking up for Jefferson, who was a Unitarian. LOL
He is obviously programmed by the public school system. Some people will never even try to think and reason for themselves, even when presented with a voice across time telling them the truth.
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And losers do indeed write the myths.
Take a long walk on a short pier
The Maryland legislature met and voted not to secede.
I'm partial to "The War of Southern Rebellion" myself.
How were they losing money to southern ports?
...it would have eventually gone the way of the dinosaurs and lamp lighters as production became more automated.
The first commercially viable cotton harvester wasn't introduced until the 1930's. Pesticides and fertilizers came later. Would slavery till then be OK with you?
I understand he and Lee spend their eternity playing cribbage together.
Sounds like he's spinning some tall tales. The 24th Virginia Cavalry wasn't established until 1864.
They didnāt have any choice.
Lincoln had garrisoned Baltimore with thousands of federal troops.
The legislatureās vote was meaningless.
If all of the imports were funneled through New York as you claim then why weren't all of the exports funneled through New York as well?
Worse still, European manufactured goods would have flooded the continent through Southern ports at prices deeply undercutting the North Eastern manufacturers, and thereby causing a double financial whammy to the power barons who would have lost significant market share and income.
You claimed that all those European goods were already flooding in through New York because of the Navigation Act or some such reason. What would have changed that would have made it cheaper to bring them in through southern ports? And why wasn't that done prior to the rebellion?
The existing power structure in New York and Washington DC, then as now wanted all the nation's money funneling through their pockets, and when the South threatened to take control of their own trade and finances, this was more than the existing power structure could tolerate, and so they launched a war to subjugate the South.
How would the south do that?
The whole affair is a lot more complex than people realize...
So it would seem.
Also, the Northern powers were mostly English, and the Southern powers was mostly Scottish...
Yes, where would the Confederacy have been without Robert MacLee, Stonewall MacJackson, Jefferson MacDavis? And without their traditional haggis and grits meals to keep them going. Utter nonsense.
The legislature met in April in Frederick, far from Baltimore. The session lasted into the summer and the question of secession was voted down.
The legislatureās vote was meaningless.
Why?
wonder who he voted for in 2020...
That is also my memory, though some claim Peter wasn't there at Monticello when Sally's children were conceived.
And it's worth noting that Sally was Jefferson's late wife's half sister -- same father, different mothers.
Easy to imagine that Jefferson saw some of his beloved wife in Sally.
DoodleDawg: "The legislature met in April in Frederick, far from Baltimore. The session lasted into the summer and the question of secession was voted down."
Maryland's legislature voted against secession (53-13) on April 29, 1861. That was still a week before the Confederate Congress formally declared war against the United States.
Once Confederates had formally declared war, May 6, 1861, then any discussion of, or actions in support of, secession became subject to the US Constitution, Article 3:
Palio di Siena: "The legislatureās vote was meaningless."
DoodleDawg: "Why?"
After Confederates formally declared war on the United States, any future actions providing Aid and Comfort to Confederates would have been, by definition, treason.
Meaningless in substance if not in form.
Maryland was occupied by Federal troops - Lincoln had suspended habeus corpus and was arresting any suspected southern sympathizers- holding them at Ft. McHenry - 2000 by the end of the war.
Baltimore had the largest population of free blacks in the country.
Baltimore was a major transport hub - essential to the Union war effort.
Two or three major railroads went through Baltimore- essentially the only way to get troops to DC from the north.
Baltimore was key for controlling the Chesapeake after the Union lost their naval base at Norfolk in 1861.
So I say the vote was meaningless because if Maryland had voted to secede- they would have been powerless to do so.
Also - Frederick is 45 miles from Baltimore - not far off even in those days.
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