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I disagree with it – Tiger Woods firmly opposed to LIV Golf breakaway
Yahoo! News ^ | July 12, 2022 | Phil Casey

Posted on 07/12/2022 7:17:36 AM PDT by kiryandil

Tiger Woods has reiterated his opposition to the Saudi-backed breakaway fronted by Greg Norman and questioned if its younger recruits will ever be able to compete in majors.

Speaking in a press conference ahead of the 150th Open Championship, Woods said he supported the R&A’s decision not to invite Norman, a two-time winner, to the Champions’ Dinner at St Andrews due to his role as CEO of LIV Golf.

And the 15-time major winner said he could not understand why the likes of Phil Mickelson, Dustin Johnson and Brooks Koepka had “turned their backs” on the PGA Tour to join LIV Golf’s series of 48-man, 54-hole events.

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To: kiryandil

And David Duval healthy would have cut that down.


61 posted on 07/12/2022 10:07:07 AM PDT by Varsity Flight ( "War by the prophesies set before you." I Timothy 1:18)
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To: Steve_Seattle

The Biden DOJ is like a broken clock—correct time twice a day.

This is an easy peasy antitrust case if they are serious about it.

The PGA checks all the antitrust buttons in the old legislation.


62 posted on 07/12/2022 10:09:29 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: Varsity Flight
And David Duval healthy would have cut that down.

Man! David Duval was almost an Ian Baker-Finch redux.

63 posted on 07/12/2022 10:14:32 AM PDT by kiryandil (China Joe and Paycheck Hunter - the Chink in America's defenses)
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To: cgbg

“An anti-trust case against the PGA would be fun to watch.”

Been tried before and the gov lost, and surely under the current SCOTUS the PGA can take it all the way to them and when against the corrupt Biden DOJ/AG Garland.


64 posted on 07/12/2022 10:38:21 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

I want the case to go forward—grab the popcorn!


65 posted on 07/12/2022 10:39:33 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: cgbg

I want Biden and Garland sued for kow towing to the Saudis and opening a “DOJ case” for corrupt political purposes.


66 posted on 07/12/2022 10:43:12 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: cgbg

I wonder how much Biden is going to ask the Saudis to send to Hunter?


67 posted on 07/12/2022 10:44:07 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

You don’t get it, do you?

The purpose of filing an anti-trust case against the PGA is to get bribed—by the PGA!


68 posted on 07/12/2022 10:47:52 AM PDT by cgbg (A kleptocracy--if they can keep it. Think of it as the Cantillon Effect in action.)
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To: All

At the current rate of growth, LIV seems unlikely to pose a serious threat to the golf establishment. Besides the PGA tour there is a European Tour which recently became the “DP World Tour” as the DP corporation assumed major sponsorship. This did not actually change the European Tour very much. It had already morphed into a semi-global tour ten years ago, most of its events are still in Europe, but it has a few co-sponsored in Africa, Australia and Asia, and it finishes its year with two big events in the UAE and Dubai. Hence the “race to Dubai” which is their version of the PGA Tour FedEx Cup, the lucrative end of season playoff structure after the four majors are done.

The majors are sort of co-sponsored events on both big tours, players winnings count towards their tour totals which determines how far into the playoffs they can go.

The official golf “establishment” also counts on lesser tours in Asia, Australia, Canada and Latin America to provide a pool of up and coming players, and more to that point they run a “junior” tour which is nowadays known as the Korn Ferry Tour (years back it was the web dot com tour), basically there is a promotion system from that to the PGA Tour. The best of the young (or retread older) players from the Korn Ferry earn a promotion into the PGA Tour for a season.

Recently the PGA Tour and the DP World Tour, which have always co-existed amicably more or less, announced some co-operative ventures including co-sponsoring the prestigious Scottish Open (a DP Tour event) which just happened, it is the week before the British Open, and that was balanced with allowing more European players to play the corresponding event on the PGA Tour. They also have a deal where the top money earners on the DP Tour will have automatic entry into a certain number of PGA events without otherwise qualifying (although quite often that already happened since they already were playing both tours and/or had high finishes in recent majors).

So the only thing the LIV tour has to offer now is even more money. Players who go to that are gambling that the LIV tour will survive and continue to pay out quite staggering amounts of money, and whether they want to give up certain other things like legacy and tournament entry (the two main tours will now be banning their players and the majors, which operate under separate oversight will quite likely follow suit starting in 2023), for the extra cash. The main establishment tours are already paying out quite nicely to their top performers. The inducement looks best to two types of players, the almost done (like Westwood, Garcia, Mickelson) and the marginal (won’t list names, if you follow golf you know who I mean, if you don’t, you wouldn’t know the names). A marginal player is a guy who is always in danger of missing the playoffs, losing season exempt status for the next year, and being pushed back down to the Korn Ferry Tour where you don’t really want to go if you are 35 or older (it’s a young stud tour, they set the courses up for long hitters).

The LIV tour will continue only as long as the Saudi backers want to spend big money on it. It is very unpopular among most golf fans and has almost no TV revenues which is where the establishment tours get most of their money to operate, the fans on site generate maybe 10-20 per cent of the revenue and there again LIV Golf is not drawing in huge crowds.

I think Donald Trump is in the equation somewhere because they plan to play two tournaments later this year at his two main US properties, Bedminster (NJ) and Doral (Miami). So I can understand that people here might be looking at this through the globalist vs MAGA lens, but that may not be the main story, Trump may not be in for the long haul on this. And maybe some of the defector players don’t like the woke aspects of modern golf, but at the same time, there is a sort of continuity aspect where establishment golf is basically the golf that always existed, slightly retuned to modern circumstances.

I don’t have a dog in the hunt, basically, but I don’t think LIV is going to be there in three years. It will never pull in enough big names. The only surprise name for me was Dustin Johnson. Almost all the other guys from the PGA or European tour seem to be making quite a rational decision on the money side, they will make a lot more here than they otherwise would. DJ might not if he’s banned from a lot of lucrative tournaments he could finish top ten in (these other guys are dropping out of that zone so they aren’t giving up the same potential).

If the LIV Tour does not get more than five of the top fifty players in the world, I don’t think the Saudis will keep spending megabucks and then those players will be stranded in no man’s land as the main tours will likely ban them for five years minimum.


69 posted on 07/12/2022 11:18:35 AM PDT by Peter ODonnell (If only one of those bears Putin wrestled had won)
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To: cgbg

That I get.

A “Biden” “settlement” will not even really address “antitrust” it will get PGA funds donated to Left wing NGOs.


70 posted on 07/12/2022 11:34:08 AM PDT by Wuli
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To: Wuli

The Commentators are libs, the fact they have banned any PGA event on any Trump property. Just two examples.


71 posted on 07/12/2022 12:08:39 PM PDT by es345st
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To: Hot Tabasco

“So who did he beat in those “2nd-tier” tournaments?

Phil Mickelson

Jim Furyk

Rory McIlroy

Steve Stricker

Davis Love III

Bubba Watson

Ernie Els......

Maybe you’ve heard of some of their names. Should I go on? “

You left out Vijay Singh, who won 40+ events, the Masters and the PGA Championship, and was world #1 for a bit. Woods faced the best competition in the history of the sport.


72 posted on 07/12/2022 12:35:22 PM PDT by BlueStateRightist (Government is best which governs least.)
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To: kiryandil
The PGA Tour: A Not-For-Profit Money Machine

Article is from 2013.

Many don’t realize that the PGA is tax exempt. The amount of money that goes through the tour is staggering.

“Still, many have criticized the tour’s byzantine recordkeeping. “I’ve been asking for an independent audit for years to make sure there is full financial transparency, and it has never been done,” says Greg Norman, who through his business is still affiliated with the tour, running three tour events.”

73 posted on 07/12/2022 2:29:31 PM PDT by yelostar
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To: BlueStateRightist
You left out Vijay Singh, who won 40+ events, the Masters and the PGA Championship, and was world #1 for a bit.

It wasn't intentional as you know. Your added info should have been addressed to that Kiry dude.......Thanks tho.

74 posted on 07/12/2022 3:23:19 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't walk thru the watermelon patch)
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To: DennisR
However, things came to a screeching halt when the marital infidelity situation happened.M

No it didn't...

As long as a professional athlete remains apolitical and has no history of violence, I have no problem with their personal lives which are none of our business.

With that being said, one has to question how it was that a part time Swedish model who worked in a book store was brought to the United States as an Au Pair by Jesper Parnevik and ultimately married the most influential golfer on the PGA tour. Considering their outcome, a "Gold Digger" comes to mind.

Not excusing Tiger's infidelity but with all things considered, it's none of our business......

And for what it's worth, not long after their divorce, the Gold Digger found herself other noteworthy rich dudes and is currently pregnant with her latest boyfriend...........

75 posted on 07/12/2022 3:42:00 PM PDT by Hot Tabasco (Don't walk thru the watermelon patch)
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To: Semper Vigilantis
I don't golf. Never will.

But Donald Trump helped LIV get off the ground when the PGA pulled "its crown jewel 2022 PGA Championship out of Trump National Golf Club Bedminster in New Jersey."

The woke PGA insulted the President. Trump hit back. Heh, heh.

https://www.thedailybeast.com/with-liv-golf-trump-is-helping-the-saudis-buy-their-way-into-american-hearts

76 posted on 07/12/2022 4:50:39 PM PDT by Jacquerie (ArticleVBlog.com)
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To: Hot Tabasco

Yes, it did indeed come to a screeching halt after his marital infidelity. I agree that it is none of our business, but reality is reality. His major wins:

1997 Masters Tournament
1999 PGA Championship
2000 U.S. Open
2000 The Open Championship
2000 PGA Championship
2001 Masters Tournament
2002 Masters Tournament
2005 Masters Tournament
2005 The Open Championship
2006 The Open Championship
2006 PGA Championship
2007 PGA Championship
2008 U.S. Open
...
2019 Masters Tournament

The blow-up with his then-wife was in November 2009. Do you see that it took another 10 years to win another championship? When he had been averaging over one a year???

Believe what you want about the infidelity having a negative effect on his career, but you would be wrong...very wrong.


77 posted on 07/12/2022 7:47:48 PM PDT by DennisR (Look around - God gives countless clues that He does, indeed, exist.)
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To: Steve_Seattle
What’s going on in college football is appalling.

No, no. College football is exciting and competitive.

I can’t WAIT to see Alabama play someone in the national championship. Again.

78 posted on 08/01/2022 8:07:59 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: Wuli
So you are just channeling Biden’s corrupt AG, Garland, who on the very day Biden departs for Saudi Arabia…

You know Trump filed an anti-trust suit against the NFL when he owned the Generals, right?

79 posted on 08/01/2022 8:16:30 PM PDT by GunRunner
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To: GunRunner

“You know Trump filed an anti-trust suit against the NFL when he owned the Generals, right?”

And USFL got $3 and bupkis.


80 posted on 08/02/2022 6:21:49 AM PDT by Wuli
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