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Once you get infected, if you are wearing a mask, this study suggested that your chance of having a bad outcome, of dying from Covid was higher. And that probably has to do with rebreathing these kind of condensed droplets that have a lot of virus in them."
1 posted on 06/05/2022 4:29:02 PM PDT by lightman
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To: lightman

Nothing like fresh air without a mask.


2 posted on 06/05/2022 4:30:20 PM PDT by Parley Baer
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The Foegen effect A mechanism by which facemasks contribute to the COVID-19 case fatality rate
3 posted on 06/05/2022 4:30:29 PM PDT by mewzilla (We need to repeal RCV wherever it's in use and go back to dumb voting machines.)
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Follow the séance...


4 posted on 06/05/2022 4:32:09 PM PDT by RckyRaCoCo (Please Pray For My Brother Ken.)
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"Once you get infected, if you are wearing a mask, this study suggested that your chance of having a bad outcome, of dying from Covid was higher. And that probably has to do with rebreathing these kind of condensed droplets that have a lot of virus in them."

Perhaps in addition to trapping exhaled virus the masks help collect virus from the outside air making them available to inhale for longer periods of time.
7 posted on 06/05/2022 4:41:18 PM PDT by clearcarbon (Fraudulent elections have consequences.)
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"Mask Mandates Associated With INCREASED Covid Death Rate"

And that, Ladies and Gentlemen, is in accordance with the Great Global Reset Plan.

8 posted on 06/05/2022 4:45:09 PM PDT by matthew fuller (Murrill McLean Award, for cowardice by a Policeman, shooting of 12 lb. Mini-Dachshund. Danville, VA)
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Shut up and follow the science./s


10 posted on 06/05/2022 4:45:50 PM PDT by Eleutheria5 (All Hail the MAGA King, beloved of Ultra MAGAs and Deplorables!)
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How to increase the efficiency of your own death:
11 posted on 06/05/2022 5:02:47 PM PDT by consult
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Interesting how this study got buried. It came out in February.

The mask mandates themselves have increased the CFR by up to 85% in counties with mask mandates.

It is a very reputable journal. Just that it’s an observational study....same type that the CDC used to justify masks. Funny with all the billions the CDC has they can’t put a few million into proving the efficacy of masks with a RCT.

Medicine. 2022;101(7):e28924 doi: 10.1097/MD.0000000000028924
https://journals.lww.com/md-journal/fulltext/2022/02180/the_foegen_effect__a_mechanism_by_which_facemasks.60.aspx


12 posted on 06/05/2022 5:07:07 PM PDT by consult
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Who didn’t know that?

They knew that this was all theater. They should all be tried for homicide.


13 posted on 06/05/2022 5:07:36 PM PDT by livius
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I first said this back in March 2020. Masks are worse than useless. They are dangerous.


15 posted on 06/05/2022 5:19:57 PM PDT by P-Marlowe (I got the <ΙΧΘΥΣ>< variant. Catch it. John 3:16)
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Who would have thought masks could actually be bad for you /s. People are still clinging to them its frightening.


16 posted on 06/05/2022 5:34:52 PM PDT by toddausauras (How far will the left go in terms of destroying our personal freedoms?)
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Now it is just hardcore libs wearing the face napkin.


17 posted on 06/05/2022 5:36:46 PM PDT by bray (The Vax is fake and deadly)
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Many of us have send that again and again.

If you read between the lines, even Fauci said it when he said to "open the windows" and said up the air filtration systems...

and I believe it was winter here and I would have frozen to death.

The other story: Cuomo was stunned to fins out that 65% of the new cases were people confined to their home.

In other words...it's the concentration...and you're the petri dish.

19 posted on 06/05/2022 5:52:23 PM PDT by Sacajaweau ( )
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Can’t wait to read the effects of a government mandated banana up your azz to stop the spread of monkeypox...

I’m sure the mask wearing covid cultist would comply.


20 posted on 06/05/2022 5:57:06 PM PDT by maddog55 (The only thing systemic in America is the left's hatred of it!)
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I am very familiar with the Kansas data (which is old), and many studies like it.

None of them (to my knowledge) try to measure mask WEARING as opposed to mask MANDATES.

Mask MANDATES are a political issue, and rightly so, but they don’t tell you how many people, of what age ranges, wore masks in indoor public areas during times of sustained transmission. Many people in non-mandate areas, especially the elderly, wore masks and many people in mandate areas, especially minorities in Southern California, never wore masks.

So all the papers flowing out of the Kansas counties dataset tell you nothing about the effect of masks on transmission.

Do you know how many randomized cluster trials CDC has done on this question since February 2020?

Zero.


21 posted on 06/05/2022 5:58:13 PM PDT by Jim Noble (I’ve stumbled on the side of twelve misty mountains)
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bkmk


25 posted on 06/05/2022 6:50:03 PM PDT by sbnsd
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Ping


26 posted on 06/05/2022 6:57:10 PM PDT by WhattheDickens? (Funny, I didn’t think this was 1984…)
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Killer mask ping.


27 posted on 06/05/2022 7:17:44 PM PDT by TChad ("Joe, we should evacuate the civilians before the military. You understand that, right? Joe?")
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The reason medicine is first do no harm....yet we suddenly mandated masks in 2020 when they had long been proven ineffective.

HERE IS A SUMMARY OF THIS ARTICLE

• An observational study aimed to determine whether mandatory mask use influenced the case fatality rate in Kansas, USA between August 1st and October 15th 2020 concluded that “results from this study strongly suggest that mask mandates actually caused about 1.5 times the number of deaths or ∼50% more deaths compared to no mask mandates” (Medicine. 2022;101(7):e28924 doi: 10.1097/MD.0000000000028924). The risk for the individual wearing the mask should even be higher, because there is an unknown number of people who either do not obey mask mandates, are exempted for medical reasons or do not go to public places where mask mandates are in effect. The mask mandates themselves have increased the CFR by 1.85 / 1.58 or by 85% / 58% in counties with mask mandates. It was also found that almost all of these additional deaths were attributed solely to COVID-19. Therefore, this number is most likely underestimated and depends to a large extent on the percentage of people who tested positive for SARS-CoV-2 but did not die with COVID-19 as the underlying cause of death. Other studies have described that 15% of patients with COVID-19 infection died from decompensation due to other pathologies and the cause of death was unrelated to severe complications of COVID-19. Kansas, with over 2.8 million residents was used for comparison because the state allowed each of its 105 counties to decide whether or not to implement mask mandates, with 81 counties deciding against the measure. This study applied secondary data on case updates, mask mandates, and demographic status related to Kansas State, USA. A parallelization analysis based on county-level data was conducted on these data. Results were controlled by performing multiple sensitivity analyses and a negative control. These findings suggest that mask use might pose a yet unknown threat to the user instead of protecting them, making mask mandates a debatable epidemiologic intervention. A rationale for the increased RR by mandating masks is probably that virions that enter or those coughed out in droplets are retained in the facemask tissue, and after quick evaporation of the droplets, hypercondensed droplets or pure virions (virions not inside a droplet) are re-inhaled from a very short distance during inspiration. In the “Foegen effect,” the virions spread (because of their smaller size) deeper into the respiratory tract. They bypass the bronchi and are inhaled deep into the alveoli, where they can cause pneumonia instead of bronchitis, which would be typical of a virus infection.

The “Foegen effect” theory suggest that deep re-inhalation of hypercondensed droplets or pure virions caught in facemasks as droplets can worsen prognosis and might be linked to long-term effects of COVID-19 infection. While the “Foegen effect” is proven in vivo in an animal model, further research is needed to fully understand it. The fundamentals of this effect are easily demonstrated when wearing a facemask and glasses at the same time by pulling the upper edge of the mask over the lower edge of the glasses. Droplets appear on the mask when breathing out and disappear when breathing in. The use of “better” masks (e.g., FFP2, FFP3) with a higher droplet-filtering capacity probably should cause an even stronger “Foegen effect” because the number of virions that are potentially re-inhaled increases in the same way that outward shedding is reduced.


28 posted on 06/05/2022 7:24:06 PM PDT by consult
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