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Goody bye M16! Military Adopts the M5 rifle and 6.8x51. Are they crazy?
YTUBE ^ | may 10, 2022 | military arms channel

Posted on 05/22/2022 5:37:36 PM PDT by max americana

THE US ARMY announced they are replacing the trusty M4 and the 556...with this monstrosity.



TOPICS: Military/Veterans; Science; Society
KEYWORDS: 556; banglist; humblegunnerkaren; m4; m5; military; sigsauer
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To: YogicCowboy
"Just bring back the M1-Garand with a detachable magazine and be done with it."

Which is our beloved M14 - couldn't agree more. Damn thing fires every time you pull the trigger, hits way the hell out to 5-600 meters, and murderous in full auto (fired from the prone with a bipod and that folding buttplate for control).

And, as a bonus, you can beat the enemy to death with the rifle and not have it shatter like the toy M16.

101 posted on 05/23/2022 4:00:06 AM PDT by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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To: JD_UTDallas
Here's a graphic of the .277 Fury

According to the link below, the rifle can fire a 135gn hybrid match bullet at 3000fps muzzle velocity.

.277 SIG FURY

Using JBM ballistics calculator (Link below), the bullet is supersonic out to 1000 yards. Out of a 16inch barrel, that is awesome.

JBM Ballistics Calculator

102 posted on 05/23/2022 4:59:47 AM PDT by FtrPilot
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To: max americana
What many of you firearms devotees on this thread miss, is that the army has actually done something spectacular for infantry weapons: They have immersed themselves in the most current ballistic technologies instead of backtracking to the safe and usual. They have adopted a weapon that will be lethal and accurate well beyond 1,000 meters using the latest in cartridge design and yet made it in a lighter, more compact platform.

For those of you with plenty of range time but less time in combat, it means more hits per round fired over the full range of enemy engagements - from point blank to over half a mile, which covers the many distances we engage and fight the enemy. Best of all, our armed forces will have a round that can punch through body armor, helmets, walls, sandbags, trees and much more.

For the very conservative army acquisition system, this is amazing, since most of them would go back to the Springfield Trapdoor, if given the chance.

This new weapon system will extend the reach of the soldier/Marine and finally begin to make use of all of the developments of state-of-the-art ballistic research.

The old "spray and pray" is dead!

103 posted on 05/23/2022 6:38:45 AM PDT by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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To: PROCON

Ping.


104 posted on 05/23/2022 7:06:53 AM PDT by Joe Brower ("Might we not live in a nobler dream than this?" -- John Ruskin)
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To: TigerHawk

> Recoil is part of the deal.

haha that’s what I say about my Moisin-Nagant m44. Also, always deploy bayonet for ranged shots. Because: Infantry.


105 posted on 05/23/2022 7:11:13 AM PDT by no-s (Jabonera, urna, jurado, cartucho ... ya sabes cómo va...)
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To: Myrddin

Well, that’s true.


106 posted on 05/23/2022 7:15:12 AM PDT by Eagles6 (Welcome to the Matrix . Orwell's "1984" was a warning, not an instruction manual.)
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To: max americana; mylife; Joe Brower; MaxMax; Randy Larsen; waterhill; Envisioning; AZ .44 MAG; ...

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107 posted on 05/23/2022 7:37:42 AM PDT by PROCON (Sic Semper Tyrannis)
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To: TigerHawk

“I only wish it was ALL AMERICAN MADE!’

It is. Sig is based in New Hampshire. Horndaddy (I think) will make the ammo.


108 posted on 05/23/2022 8:10:53 AM PDT by Fai Mao
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To: Lumper20

The M16 was a very good weapon if cleaned and handled correctly.

My point is how often a new weapon was bought and issued to our military. Then,the new weapons get trash talked until they become SOP.

Thanks for your reply and service.


109 posted on 05/23/2022 8:17:44 AM PDT by Grampa Dave (Has anyone, recently, seen a Biden sticker on any vehicle and in particular at a gas station!)
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To: max americana

I like the new platform, but it wont’ come cheap.

Funny how when the 5.56 came about the top brass could not say enough good about it. Lightweight, smaller cartridge for more rounds, less weight and size to transport, less recoil, less lethal but more debilitating.

Maybe like some said earlier, there is more body armor out there now and this could penetrate, but I ‘don’t know the terminal ballistics of 5.56 vs 6.8


110 posted on 05/23/2022 8:40:04 AM PDT by CodeJockey (Politicians are to America as oligarchs are to Russia. )
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To: Joe 6-pack

Probably.

Ever piss on an M-60 barrel to cool it down so you can swap out barrels?

5.56mm


111 posted on 05/23/2022 9:58:19 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: max americana
Perhaps crony capitalism led to the decision.
112 posted on 05/23/2022 10:23:16 AM PDT by MosesKnows
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To: CodeJockey
"Funny how when the 5.56 came about the top brass could not say enough good about it. Lightweight, smaller cartridge for more rounds, less weight and size to transport, less recoil, less lethal but more debilitating."

Yeah, but they didn't have to stake their lives on the damn thing like we did. Apparently, they were in such a hurry to get that thing into our hands, that they completely omitted the operational testing part - with the ammo they were issuing with it - so we were stuck with a weapon that jammed horribly in the middle of firefights, had ridiculously unusable sights, had a safety with a too-strong detent, and stocks that shattered when struck.

I guess somebody made money off the deal, didn't they?

113 posted on 05/23/2022 11:44:43 AM PDT by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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To: EQAndyBuzz
Sounds like a way for the government to get rid of .223 and .556 ammo. Anyone fire .223? Kiss it bye bye.

Sounds like there's going to be a fire sale on surplus govt. ammo. There will be a glut before there is a shortage.

114 posted on 05/23/2022 11:53:56 AM PDT by Sirius Lee (They intend to murder us. Prep if you want to live and live like you are prepping for eternal life)
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To: max americana

Hi.

Didn’t the Japanese use the 6.8x51 in WWII?

5.56mm


115 posted on 05/23/2022 11:58:18 AM PDT by M Kehoe (Quid Pro Joe and the Ho need to go.)
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To: M Kehoe; Chainmail

Hi.

Didn’t the Japanese use the 6.8x51 in WWII?

5.56mm”

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U defer to Chainmail. Your posts are informative.


116 posted on 05/23/2022 11:59:46 AM PDT by max americana (Fired leftards at work since 2018 at every election just to see them cry. I hate them all.)
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To: max americana
Well, thank you -

The Japanese used the 6.5X50 for their Type 38 rifles and they had a 139 grain Spitzer bullet that launched at 2,500 feet per second. A bit of an antique at the start of WWII but deadly and had the added benefit of having very little smoke/muzzle flash from those long-barreled rifles. It featured low recoil and deadly terminal effects. Several other nations used this weapon and caliber for decades.

The next most famous (and well thought of) 6.5 caliber is the 6.5X55 Swedish which is still prized for its gilt-edge accuracy but it is also an antique with a 140 grain bullet and a 2,400 FPS muzzle velocity.

The new army 6.5 really ramps up muzzle velocity to 3,000 FPS plus, so it really does outpace all the previous 6.5mm military calibers.

A little closer if the 6.5 Creedmoor with a case length of 48.7 mm and a muzzle velocity of 3,020 FPS and a reputation for excellent long-range accuracy. The 6.5 Grendel was considered for a while but it is a lighter bullet/shorter range round ("6.5 X 39").

117 posted on 05/23/2022 12:31:12 PM PDT by Chainmail (Harrassment, to be effective, must be continuous.)
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To: max americana
I still remember my M16 serial number when I was in boot camp.

3117516

118 posted on 05/23/2022 12:36:07 PM PDT by SamAdams76 (3,042,303 active users on Truth Social)
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To: Bonemaker

This just screams “Case Separation” to me


119 posted on 05/23/2022 12:41:04 PM PDT by Lee Enfield (Idemo Brandon)
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To: Grampa Dave

You are spot on. I recall carbines, M14’s, then the M16 and CAR 15’s. My yards had carbines against AK’s. Thanks friend.


120 posted on 05/23/2022 12:45:17 PM PDT by Lumper20 (ll Dems )
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