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Live: Ukraine ends battle for besieged Mariupol, evacuating last fighters from steel plant
France 24 ^ | 5/17/2022 | Staff

Posted on 05/17/2022 3:59:35 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think

Ukraine's military said on Tuesday it was working to evacuate all remaining troops from their last stronghold in the besieged port of Mariupol, ceding control of the city to Russia after months of bombardment. The evacuation of hundreds of fighters, many wounded, to Russian-held towns, likely marked the end of the longest and bloodiest battle of the Ukraine war and a significant defeat for Ukraine.

(Excerpt) Read more at france24.com ...


TOPICS: Military/Veterans
KEYWORDS: defeated; lifeasapow; mariupol; powcamp; surrender; ukenazis; ukraine; wariverforyou
Remarkable word play and twisting of the language going on here, 'evacuations' are the new word for 'surrenders'. The Ukrainian government is promoting the idea that they will be swapped for Russians.
1 posted on 05/17/2022 3:59:35 AM PDT by Not_Who_U_Think
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

LOL!
This “battle for the steel plant” has lasted a month supposedly.

We’ll never know what truly happened there because 99% of the press lies.


2 posted on 05/17/2022 4:02:26 AM PDT by Roman_War_Criminal (Jesus + Something = Nothing ; Jesus + Nothing = Everything )
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To: Not_Who_U_Think
likely marked the end of the longest and bloodiest battle of the Ukraine war and a significant defeat for Ukraine.

A significant defeat for Ukraine? Didn't McConnell just walk thru Mariupol promising US tax dollars for a rebuild?

3 posted on 05/17/2022 4:15:00 AM PDT by JonPreston (Q: Never have so many, been so wrong, so often)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think
Zelensky just surrendered the strategically important port city Mariupol
after besieged Ukrainian troops there had complained that they had been
ignored and abandoned except for propaganda purposes. This officially confirms that.

Why are we sending him billions of dollars again?


4 posted on 05/17/2022 4:46:26 AM PDT by Pollard (Don't ask if there's a conspiracy. If you're not in one, you need to start one. CA Fitts)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

“Remarkable word play and twisting of the language going on here, ‘evacuations’ are the new word for ‘surrenders’.”

Scary stuff. I think at this point, even the Bidenistas here have to (finally) realize that they’ve been being played all along.


5 posted on 05/17/2022 4:49:14 AM PDT by BobL (Putin isn't sending gays into our schools to groom my children, but anti-Putin people are)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

These psychos are headed for the hospital then long term detention. Russia wants them nice and healthy for Nuremburg 2.0.


6 posted on 05/17/2022 5:24:02 AM PDT by Antioch (Against stupidity even the Gods struggle in vain….)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

I thought the Ukes were kicking Ruski butt and taking names.
You mean all those stories on FR weren’t true?


7 posted on 05/17/2022 5:34:28 AM PDT by bk1000 (Banned from Breitbart)
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To: bk1000

Wars, and rumors of wars.


8 posted on 05/17/2022 5:38:41 AM PDT by OKSooner ("What is your name, Joe?")
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

But the brave and mighty Ukes are winning - just another 40 billions from us and they’re good.


9 posted on 05/17/2022 5:50:58 AM PDT by AAABEST ( NY/DC/LA media/political/military industrial complex DELENDA EST)
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

But but but, the Ukes are winning! Anybody who says otherwise has crappy sources!


10 posted on 05/17/2022 6:44:06 AM PDT by FLT-bird
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

I read yesterday ukranian fighters were waiving goodbye to russoan soldiers at the border. Amazing what happens over there....just like here...nothing is true ever. Ceptin’ covid and white supremacy of course. I aint no fool.


11 posted on 05/17/2022 6:51:33 AM PDT by If You Want It Fixed - Fix It ( )
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

The Ukies fought more bravely and honorably than the Brits did at Dunkirk, where they abandoned a militarily defensible position with the world’s largest navy supporting them.
FWIW, after D-Day, the German held Dunkirk, without the world’s largest navy and against the world’s two largest navies until after VE Day.


12 posted on 05/17/2022 6:51:58 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

So they surrendered. 😏


13 posted on 05/17/2022 6:53:30 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: FLT-bird

Freepers are freaking. 😏


14 posted on 05/17/2022 6:54:58 AM PDT by Georgia Girl 2 (The only purpose of a pistol is to fight your way back to the rifle you should never have dropped)
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To: Dr. Franklin

You really think Dunkirk was a militarily defensible position? Really? With all due respect, the only reason they got out of Dunkirk is because the Germans stopped the advance, thinking that they could just mop up with the Luftwaffe.

In no way shape or form, is having your back to the sea, in a tiny pocket, defensible. If the navy at your back was such a counterbalance why did they have to abandon the British forces to the north?

Sorry but the British position at Dunkirk was not sustainable, and I would also note, that even if it were, Britian needed its army back home. We must remember, British armies were no where near the scale of european armies. The British army was that of a sea power, and always has been.

If your post was sarcasm, I apologize for missing it.


15 posted on 05/17/2022 7:09:12 AM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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To: walkingdead
You really think Dunkirk was a militarily defensible position? Really? With all due respect, the only reason they got out of Dunkirk is because the Germans stopped the advance, thinking that they could just mop up with the Luftwaffe.

An entire book was written on the subject: Dunkirk, the Patriotic Myth, by Nicholas Harman In short, the Brits didn't want to fight on the continent, and certainly not alone. Panzer attacks never worked against heavily concentrated troops, and the Brits lost more troops by evacuating than they would have by digging in and staying. Quite a few British troops had committed war crimes by using hollow point bullets and didn't want to get caught in France. Others just wanted "blighty" and get sent home. The story of WWII is largely that an avoidable war was fought because the major allies of WWI, simply didn't want to fight. Dunkirk is simply more proof of that fact, which occurred after the long "phoney war".

BTW, you still haven't explained how the Germans held Dunkirk until after VE Day...
16 posted on 05/17/2022 7:27:28 AM PDT by Dr. Franklin ("A republic, if you can keep it." )
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To: Not_Who_U_Think

Yup.

But it’s indicative of the MSM et al at this point.

There is no semblance of objectivity/neutrality anymore. They do not report, they journal not unlike a blog on the web. They are looking for the scandal, the conflict, because that is what sells. They understand their demographic and rather than reporting verifiable facts fill articles with conjecture and provide opinions all slanted to affirm their target audiences values/interests.

There is no real empirical or scientific basis even for those things where they talk about “following the science:” Covid, Global Warming, Ozone Hole...

The media at this point is no more than a few original content providers, a few major media conglomerates, and so-called big tech (it’s an ologopolistic market where you have 1,729 TV channels but they all say the same things): https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ksb3KD6DfSI

https://mildandfreenet.files.wordpress.com/2019/12/media-ownership.jpg

Supposedly, ~90% of the information Americans get to read, watch or hear, really only comes from 6 providers: https://library.uniteddiversity.coop/Media_and_Free_Culture/Ultra_Concentrated_Media.pdf

They are politically connected/tied, and represent big corporate interests (they are owned by them and/or get their money from them via commercials - that is after all what they are in the business of with TV and radio, selling blocks of time for commercials with the “news” just being the entertainment to get people to view).

The quality of the TV news is so poor, lacking substance or a consistent and coherent argument, entirely politically and ideologically biased that they have basically made themselves irrelevant to anyone except those seeking validation in their feelings (usually a left leaning idea).


17 posted on 05/17/2022 7:52:28 AM PDT by Red6
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To: Dr. Franklin

Agree that Britian did not want to fight on the continent alone, for their army would stand no chance long term. Plus again Britian was facing a very real chance of a German invasion of their homeland. Once they knew France was done, they had to get out.

As for the Germans in Dunkirk till the end of the war, that is simple. We contained them, which was all that had to be done. As is evident by how the war went after our return. Quite simply, the Germans held it till the end because once they were contained they were neutered. I mean look at the forces we used to hold them there.

Lastly we wanted Antwerp not Dunkirk. Would we have used Dunkirk had the Germans not been there? Almost certainly, but they were there so surrounding and containing was all that was truly needed.


18 posted on 05/17/2022 8:00:02 AM PDT by walkingdead (We are sacrificing American youth's future on the altar of our own fear. And it is a travesty.)
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