Posted on 05/14/2022 3:07:03 PM PDT by Jacquerie
Battery technology is the new bull's-eye for companies striving to meet the world's growing appetite for electric vehicles.
Battery companies and automakers are investing heavily to build cheaper, denser and lighter batteries. New technologies run the gamut. Some give old battery chemistries a new twist for incremental improvements. Others change the battery form factor or battery assembly for significant gains in performance or costs. In the future, radically different chemistries and other big breakthroughs are expected to emerge.
"Batteries are the new gold rush as far as automakers are concerned," said Ram Chandrasekaran, a mobility analyst at Wood Mackenzie who formerly worked for Ford.
Better, more powerful batteries will drive the adoption of electric cars. Entire car platforms are being built around the battery, which not only supplies power but also serves as a critical structural element in EVs today, Chandrasekaran says.
Major automakers want half their vehicle sales to be electric by 2030. As the energy transition quickens, global battery supply will meet only 60% of the expected demand by decade's end, Oslo-based Rystad Energy forecasts.
That lends more urgency to the quest for the holy grail — a cheaper, simpler, better battery.
Battery technology companies, aiming for both incremental and breakthrough gains, have their task cut out. Car companies continue to invest in new battery plants and technological advances.
In the meantime, electric cars will continue to run on lithium-ion or LFP battery cells for now, with costs likely to spur shifts back and forth.
Some breakthrough battery technologies may be a decade or more away, like solid-state cells. Other promising ones, such as sodium-ion batteries, are closer at hand but come with drawbacks.
"The importance of these investments cannot be overstated," said Marius Foss, a Rystad analyst.
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Democrats soil and ruin every institution they control. EVs and their green new world will be no different.
That’s a rounding error to the subsidies the petroleum industry gets. This an investor’s site not a green new deal group.
https://www.visualcapitalist.com/charted-5-trillion-in-fossil-fuel-subsidies/
Major automobile manufacturers don’t want half their vehicles to be EV’s, but they don’t have a choice so they are making the best of a bad situation.
Innovators Dilemma: the breakthroughs come from new entrants that initially underperform but end up surpassing the existing competitors who are focused on incremental change.
This whole thing is a political solution looking for a problem to solve.
Electric motors are actually much better for transportation.
But until you can get the power density, speed of renewal of that power, compared to fossil fuel,
This is all just political BS.
Especially when most the worlds electricity is produced by Fossil fuels or Nuke power.
I hope they never find a battery breakthrough
We don’t produce enough electricity as is. Thousands let alone millions of cars charging off the grid will cripple society. These dreams are insanity
That is the goal. Before they create the New Man they must destroy society.
Engineering is always a trade off. Increasing battery capacity means increased energy densities, greater risk of catastrophic failures Increased charge rates increases heat. Any extra resistance in the cables and connections will also generate more heat. To reduce heat, cables, connectors, and heat exchangers must be built larger, adding weight.
Solyndra part 2?
Power generation is either used, or lost forever
Stand back and THINK before you make comments. If you run a Honda Genetator and don’t run a thing on it, where did the electrical power go? Same thing with a nuclear, hydro-electrical or coal fired plant. That’s why the biggest income any power company has is the power broker section where they buy/sell power across the nation, second by second. So every watt is used
Tesla demonstrated municipal level power storage, where a city was able to store electrical power on a municipal level. This is huge. Lead acid batteries are horribly inefficient and degrade. Nickle Hydride, Lithium Ion made huge strides forward. Now we are seeing LFP and cobalt free batteries that are non flammable, and increase storage and last much longer.
Next we have Toyota demonstration of the Solod State Lithium battery which not only increases energy density by 250%, but means life spans measures in decades. And you can cut the battery with a scissors and not only not short out the battery, you just lost the portion of the battery you cut off. Electrical planes are now becoming practical and have ⅓ the operational costs of single engine planes. They won’t replace jet engines, but a 66% fuel cost reduction is significant.
Next up is the Lithium Sulfur battery, which looks to last about 4x longer than what is on the market new. The expected life of current Tesla motors should last around 1 million miles, and statistically most of the batteries should last about the same. The new Lithium Sulfur batteries should last about 4 million miles, charge to 80% in less than 15 minutes and get around 1,000 miles per charge
These batteries will revolutionize municipal power as well, as with municipal we don’t care about energy density, as cost is a larger consideration. With current Solar tech lasting 35 years, at ~20% efficient and dropping to 80% of the rated value at the end of 35 years; things are moving forward
To say that you don’t think, or hope we make progress is about as ignorant as thinking the gas engine did not improve in efficiency. If you do some research, you would know there is 1 place to get gasoline. There are many ways to generate electricity, and now we can store it
And finally, if you think the way we mine Lithium,
Manganese, Cobalt, Nickel and Copper is not changing; you are missing out on a huge investment opportunity. I made my family wealthy by doing research and learning. I would encourage anyone else to do the same. Nobody knows who will win, against Tesla. But EVERYONE needs Lithium. Until they print a new Periodic Table
In Santa Claracounty 90% of the charging stations don’t work
Texas and California are already promising brownouts and black outs this summer
So there has never been a higher need for Municipal power storage
Politics screws up everything. Gas, hydroelectric, nuclear, coal, education- there is nothing that liberals can’t screw up
Thankfully we have capitalism that provides solutions. We just need to keep politicians from screwing them up
There are limits to how efficient chemical batteries can be. We have a ways to go to reach those limits.
Efficient and high capacity batteries have the capability to make life better for everyone.
As is typical people don’t even read the materials.
“Production subsidies occur when governments provide tax cuts or direct payments that reduce the cost of producing coal, oil, or gas.”
The US .gov does both in addition every tax dollar not collected is a tax dollar that must come from somewhere else in the case of government spending and taxes it is a zero sum game. Either the dollar comes from direct tax revenue from another source or it is printed via the Fed and it comes from your life savings via inflation and debasement of your currency. So yes every dollar given or not taxes is a direct subsidy. The fedgov will never spend less never has never will so this by default makes tax revenue a zero sum process as the government ALWAYS spends more than it collects so every lost dollar in tax revenue must come from somewhere else lately they have just been printing it with the obvious inflation caused by debasing a currency.
And yet Gas/Diesel in a storage tank is more efficient than all than all those poisonous batteries.
No question. The energy density in Diesel is far higher than any battery tech we have (so far).
But, diesel is rough on the environment when dumped. How many ways can you make diesel? Organic diesel is neat, but at scale is it viable for national deployment?
How many ways can you generate electricity? Now we can store it, effectively and we have a booming industry just waiting to begin in reclaiming spent Lithium batteries. From JB Straub (ex-Tesla founder) and Redwood Tech (personally not a fan), to many others.
There is a freakin goldmine to be made in reclamation of EV, power tool, cell phone and other batteries. Battery grade lithium was $12,860/ton a year ago, it’s about $60,000 now. It’s not going down
Absolutely agree. And the way to inspire true
Elon is driving innovation in a big way, and Toyota is also doing great things with the solid state battery. The Lithium Sulfur just may be the best compromise until we make the next technology leap
Why? Elon will put it on the SAME cell size (4680 cell) which is presently packing LFP chemistry, but may switch to Lithium Sulfur down the line. This same battery pack would give ~1,000 mile range, charge in less than 15 minutes and theoretically last about 4 million miles (>4x lifetime over current tech)
Now most lithium technology seems to work best at 80% charge, and charges very fast from 20-80% range. So a smart driver stops and just boosts their capacity in that range, and does the 100% top off overnight before a long drive. But for day to day, you want to run it at 80%, not 100% and drop it down to no lower than about 30%. IMHO, you want to do the same thing with your cell phone and power tools
So... what is your personal back-up power status?
Looking to retire and work part time, so looking at building in Florida outside of KSC. Have reservations with Tesla for a solar roof (the ones that look like shingles) and 3 PowerWall units
I have a reservation for the 4 motor CyberTruck, which is probably 2024, and a Roadster. Now, I am still driving a Lexus and an old Tacoma.
I have 2 jobs. I am a Tech Advisor to the BoD for a Lithium extraction company, where I made my money. My other job is pretty awesome. We build the boosters for Artemis in Utah, I work as a Propulsion engineer reporting to NASA on those. So that pays the bills, and my retirement is going to be battery tech
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